I wonder how this will work out for him
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The only reason I said "ish" for Truss really was her PR stunt with a lamb at a church this year; which I suspected would be the first thing people mentioned. She appears to be atheist other than for photo ops.
May was religious, Brown was religious, Blair was very religious; Cameron compared his faith to patchy FM reception in his constituency so probably wasn't!
Oh, I agree. I don't think that religious prayers or rituals should be required of public officials or public bodies. I'm just pointing out that this is not a particularly Irish thing or, relevantly to the present thread, a manifestation of Burke family-type beliefs about church and state.
Nor do I think it's particularly relevant whether the PM is an atheist or not. Even if the PM is a happy-clappy evangelical who is delighted to invoke the name of God in any context, the problem with requiring religious rituals from a public official is not that it injures or offends the official; it's that it injures the state.
(But, nitpick, I don't think you can conclude that Truss is "atheist-ish" on the basis that she choose to attest rather than to swear, since theists can and often do believe that religious prayers or rituals should not form a part of public functions, and will decline to take oaths for public purposes. The whole affirmation-rather-than-oath business was introduced originally to accommodate Quakers, not atheists.)
Doesn't mean it makes sense though, or that it's suitable for a modern world.
UK is now on their third non Christian PM in a row (atheist-ish - Truss did the attestation not oath, Hindu, atheist) for instance.
There are prayers at the start of each sitting day in both the Dáil and the Seanad.
And Ireland is not unusual; prayers are also said in the legislatures of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the UK, the US and no doubt many other countries.
Don't they still have a prayer before the dail?
They should get rid of the angelus next.
Would have been the norm in Ireland to say a prayer before conducting the business of the day, even when we were in school each period was begun and ended with prayer so it's not unusual in a traditional sense., it just no longer seems appropriate. Like I said, I have no issue with people practising their own faith or prayer in general but we live in a state where religion has been a force of absolute destruction when in positions in power and dominance and it's easy to see how it's being used to influence political and social institutions which are not necessarily for the best of all involved. There's nothing democratic about it.
I actually had to read that twice, and still can’t believe they say a prayer before the business of the council begins. What utter stupidity.
https://www.thejournal.ie/cork-city-council-motion-prayers-crucifix-referred-to-committee-6431031-Jul2024/
It's difficult to take devout people seriously when the likes of the Burkes have overidden more moderate versions of christianity. I have no issue with religions in general or saying a prayer every now and then but looks like thats going to have to be reserved for your respective places of worship and not in public offices of the state.
Does anyone remember Mad Mary who used to wander O'Connell street back in the 80s and 90s. She was the equivalent of the Burkes back then without the social media attention. Mad as a brush and she might swing a handbag at you the odd time, but she was largely ignored or benignly tolerated. The Burkes are mad Mary, they are John B Keanes The Bird in The Field, they are the idiots who have always resided in our society but have attracted the attention of the internet.
Poor mammy wouldn't get a word in! 😂
Enoch and this one should hook up, they'd make a lovely couple.
Netflix should be taking notes, it would make for good viewing.
It's all a rich tapestry.
Sure, but they have their own stories as well.
Probably wise, seeing as there have been multiple warnings already that this thread is not about transgender issues.
Come the last week in August, or whatever day WHS re-opens, he'll be back at the gate.
And way too much emphasis on female sexuality and that men have no self control. IMO, what a load of sh*te.
I'd like to thank the Burke family for leading me to Krishna
Maybe leave the thread title, and accept that other family members are part of the Enoch Burke story.
you only have to glimpse at some of the lovely comments on youtube from all the tolerant holy people who support Enoch and his kin to recognise that there is a wider issue at play.
Of course I can, not sure the moderator would permit or tolerate my opinion on the gender pronoun issue, without me getting an immediate ban!
Anyway, loads of talk about his Christian values, what it says in the Bible plus loads more to keep you going for now, although ultimately it is his actions that has himelf wondering what to do next, for when the new term starts, what action will he take, if any? Will he end up back in jail?
Maybe we just rename the thread then, I do agree that a lot has happened, but there have been instances completely outside of what happened in the school also.
Not that I am aware of, but Frank, there have been a few developments in his story since then that they certainly have played their part in. Perhaps you think this thread is restricted to a discussion about the events day you referenced, that was over two years ago, a lot has happened since then Frank, and the Burkes en masse have featured.
Again, it is a pretty good set of case studies as to why the bible shouldn't be used by people to gauge their actions.
Reminds me of this:
“In the ordinary moral universe, the good will do the best they can, the worst will do the worst they can, but if you want to make good people do wicked things, you'll need religion.”
Yes and no, they weren't in the school with him when he went after the principle, or were they?
I imagine they have this written in lipstick on their bathroom mirror Colossians 3:23-24: Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. (25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.)
They repeatedly shout about how others will be judged by God (timestamped)
and conveneiently forget the 'There is no favouritism' part.
Eph 6:9 Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.
1 Peter 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.
And their messes and actions overlap.
I don't seem to recall saying they should be excluded. Worth remember though that he is in this mess because of his actions, they are also in their own messes due to their actions.
They do seem to be more interested in the smiting and revenge and threats and damnation than the 'turning the other cheek' and humility and love that is also mentioned.
Considering they are also leading characters in this charade, I’m not sure how, or why you would think they should be excluded. In many cases, their exclusion would have the effect of removing context to where he has found himself, and why.
The conversation was about the Burkes and what they believe in. Enoch is one of them.
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