Conan isn’t there.
Yeah I'm not neccesarily ALL for Prendergast right now. Just thinking Farrell might make another bold call for this Test esp with the exclusion of the Byrnes.
Frawley - I dont want to be too harsh on him. He's just not suited to FB. Losing his footing coming across the pitch for Kolbe try was just another example.
I like him as a 12, Ringrose can also cover there.
Anyway it'll be interesting to see if he'll blood more players and who's left standing after that 1st Test. Of course Erasmus went for exactly the same 23. The Springboks are so tough!
Hope JOB gets a look in this week, we missed his pace and creativity. Nash is a fine finisher, but lacks a bit of an x-factor. Would like to see something like this, but no chance Farrell drops POM
Porter, Kelleher, Furlong
Beirne, Ryan
Baird, VdF, Doris
Murray, Crowley
McCloskey, Ringrose
Lowe, JOB, Osborne
Herring, Healy, Bealham, McCarthy, Prendergast / Izzy, Blade, Frawley, Larmor
Edited for being dumb
The South African team has Steenkamp (2 caps), Sacha (2 caps), and Moerat (6 caps). Even "Speedy" Grant Williams (8 caps) and Marco Van Standen (9 caps) aren't exactly seasoned Boks at this stage (mind I hugely rate those two and wouldn't call them inexperienced or green either).
There's still plenty of depth testing and "experimentation" there - while still fielding an experienced starting XV.
Law 9:14
It's in the Laws, like all the other things that do get penalised.
Refs should implement the Laws as in Law 6:5(a). WR have allowed officials to ignore incidents that Refs deem 'not material'. The intended effect is to keep play moving. The actual effect (particularly in televised games) is to open the officials to criticism. This criticism brought about the introduction of TMOs. Now, TMOs are missing 'clear & obvious' incidents, perhaps because they all possess a 'Ref' mindset that says "It's ok if I miss stuff that's not 'material' as long I get the important stuff right". Yeah …
Thats fair but nobody goves a card for that. There's a lot of vibes in reffing rugby
I wouldn't because I'd want Frawley to cover 10/12/13/15, and Larmour to cover 11/13/14/15. Prendergast would only really cover 10, plus he's too inexperienced for this level.
You can experiment without changing the personnel, which is something SA are particularly adept at.
We'll see, but I reckon we'll see a very different strategy this weekend.
I think you are gone off on a tangent. The point being made was fairly clear that the South African management are taking this game ultra-seriously, look at the number of caps, they have picked a team they would pick if they were playing in the World Cup final. There were posters complaining that Ireland were taking this too seriously and that we don't use these tests to blood new untested players, while the supposition was that South Africa would and that's why they win World Cups. It's fairly clear that these two matches are full-blooded encounters deserving both teams to select their best possible line-ups and the Irish coaches were correct to proceed that way. Blooding players in this series would have been silly IMO. Only if there is an injury and then the depth is tested, that's unavoidable, but not bringing in uncapped guys for the sake of it.
If that is the team JOB would cover a multitude and Larmour FB - Would you not think he'll go Prendergast over Frawley?
just another series that Ireland can’t win!
ummm, ok.
I take it as a compliment that Rassie clearly believes that nothing but the absolute best of SA is enough to beat us.
South Africa unchanged, but Ireland have a lot of fitness doubts, so very open to change. Possibly something like this: Porter, Kelleher, Furlong, Beirne, Ryan, O'Mahony, Doris, Van der Flier, Murray, Crowley, Lowe, McCloskey, Ringrose, Nash, O'Brien. Bench: Herring, Healy, Bealham, McCarthy, Baird, Blade, Frawley, Larmour.
I think you have wildly misunderstood where and who his point is aimed at.
again u come out with rubbish.building for a World Cup isn’t just about bringing players thru which Sa has down plenty.did u even watch the game and see how deferent sa played
An unchanged SA 23, the most experienced XV in Bok history.
Are we done with the idea that SA use these games to experiment, only use them to build for the next RWC, in stark contrast to ultra conservative Ireland?
Good
I would say his ability in mauls is elite. And his handling is very good.
Dan sheehan was regarded as world class at about 23 years old and won world breakthrough player or the year i dont follow your concern there
It wasn't you I can assure you.
It was the Martin Valie solicitor types!
'I speak. You do not speak. Your job is to just sit there and say nothing'
https://www.sarugby.co.za/news-features/articles/2024/07/09/erasmus-sticks-with-tried-and-tested-team-for-second-ireland-test/
Springbok coach Rassie Erasmus named the most experienced team in Springbok history when he retained the same 23-man matchday squad to the one which defeated Ireland 27-20 in their opening match in Pretoria last week for the second Test at Kings Park in Durban on Saturday.
What are you even talking about? Naturally we will be more biased about our players, just like SA will on theirs, NZL on theirs etc.
It's not even Boks accounts, even the way neutral accounts paint some of these players… it's head scratching. Dan Sheehan for example, how long did it take him performing at such a high level before he was considering amongst the best in he world at hooker…1 year? Maybe even 2…you do think if an SA player played at that level it would take that long to receive that level of appreciation from neutral's? Not a chance, 2-3 games max.
McCarthy lost most of last season due to injury, I somehow expect the plan for Ireland was to pay him more if he got a better season behind him.
A new and inventive way to bring Leinster into the discussion :-)
Come on now, you need to just admit how big of a Leinster fan you are. A few pints of Heinomite?
Please note this is a joke
It’s a good question; if I had the pick of them I’d go Beirne and Etzebeth. But if I had to pick as a unit, I’d go Etzebeth and Mostert. (And that’s as someone who thinks Beirne has been world class for about 3-4 seasons now and is in the conversation for best lock in the world).
No Irish being biased and your complaint is were not biased enough. Which is fine you do you but its a silly thing to be upset over. Impartiality is good those twitter bok fans someone referenced shouldn't be your basis for what supporters should be
I had concerns over him I can freely admit, I thought he would be a better 6 than a second row. My only concern was he powerful enough against the top teams like Bok/England/France, not sure about the other things listed, but I was confident he could handle the next teams down
He has massively surprised me. I can't remember now but a couple of games at the start he did struggle but seemed to get over it quicker than expected. Fair play to him.
Seconds between it, a lot later hits happen in rugby, the players wasn't trying to knock out Casey. It was a penalty for Ireland, that's it
Irish being positive about their own players…shocking I know, something you get…Idk, on every single countries rugby forum.
I remember Canan Moodie had 1-3 decent games and was already spoken of at the same level as players like Ringrose…it was at that point I just gave up on getting any impartial judgment on players…
Genuine Qs would you take the SA Lock over the Irish?
My own view is that I would have taken the Irish Locks over the SA Locks before the RWC.
That also doesn't mean the SA Locks aren't world class.
And i'd still take the Irish
….& still think McCarthy was underused at the RWC.
Played the opening game v Romania & didn't play another minute until NZ…5 weeks later!!
What is a good rugby IQ?
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