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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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    #35222
    Former Former Former
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357183#Comment_122357183

    The clue is in the word “fans”

    I find the obsession that some people have with SA even stranger tbh. We’ve shown consistently that we’re every bit as good as them, so why is it so hard for people to accept that our players might be as good as theirs?



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    #35223
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357181#Comment_122357181

    So now we are talking about “elite” and if a player skill level is elite or not just to have a go at a player who has one full season of playing at club and international level


    Based on what “elite” is, would Big Joe claim to be elite at anything so early into his career? I doubt it , I certainly wouldn’t be claiming it

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357183#Comment_122357183

    What is an “elite” player? Which ones are and which ones are not? Not Irish just world players


    Honestly never seen anyone saying Irish players are “elite”



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    #35224
    Buer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122356798#Comment_122356798

    Just on the Doris/Pearce interaction, that wasn't in relation to Casey. Doris was irritated as there was an obvious deliberate knock on at the line out just before that. A hand came through and slapped the pop pass to Casey to the ground. It was clear. Pearce called knock on advantage and then advantage over just as Casey was scragged.

    There's no way in hell it wasn't a deliberate knock on though. It was a single hand, coming through the lineout and batting a pass straight down.



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    #35225
    CMcsporty
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357291#Comment_122357291

    Says the person who said they’d never post here again after a certain SA player got picked!!

    But others can’t post their own opinions.

    Classic.



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    #35226
    Former Former Former
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357312#Comment_122357312

    again, I got a bit carried away in my support for the Ireland coach. I’m an Ireland fan, it happens. Or at least, it’s supposed to.

    If you can show me the bit where I said you can’t post opinions, please do.

    But if those opinions are fanboying for another national team and running down Ireland players, then they’re going to be challenged.



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    #35227
    Alessandro Vast Numskull
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357321#Comment_122357321

    Fanboying for another teams plsyers in this instance meaning being any way impartial



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    #35228
    CMcsporty
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    Team announcements can’t come quickly enough!

    Although I expect that will bring another barrage of superciliousness

    Will SA team announcement be early again?



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    #35229
    Clo-Clo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357376#Comment_122357376

    Doubt it, last week was just Rassie been Rassie….

    He got no advantage as nobody in Ireland coaching team gave a sh*t when he announced the team so doubt he will do it this week with injuries/knocks

    It's also great to see that nobody in Ireland team or coaching have bothered responding to that nonsense from Eben, makes him look like an idiot even more



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    #35230
    Buer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357387#Comment_122357387

    SA generally name their team early. It wasn't just last week.

    https://www.thesouthafrican.com/sport/rugby/springboks/when-springboks-will-name-team-tuesday-ireland-kings-park/



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    #35231
    FtD v2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357387#Comment_122357387

    They supposedly are injury free.

    I imagine they’ll name today again.

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kwagga drop to the bench for a bigger ball carrier at 8; think they lacked the ballast a traditional 8 would have given them last week, and think Kwagga offers more off the bench. Could see Vincent Koch getting a start ahead of Malherbe too.



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    #35232
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357183#Comment_122357183

    Etzebeth is on a different planet to ryan or mccarthy.

    Except he clearly wasn't on Saturday. At all. No one has compared them on their careers.

    Also, unsurprisingly, Ryan was far better than Snyman when both were on the pitch because he's a better player. I have no idea why you so criminally underrate our locks.



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    #35233
    Clo-Clo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357415#Comment_122357415

    Eben will always be remembered for

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    #35234
    CMcsporty
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357387#Comment_122357387

    Figured as much!
    Although he can’t help himself sometimes.

    Desperately needs to be seen as the Smartest man in the room.

    Ireland so lucky to have Farrell, O’Connell and Joe before that.

    POC is going to have a rough week ahead without Sheehan.
    At least Herring will be rock solid with his throwing coming off the bench.



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    #35235
    Shehal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357415#Comment_122357415

    You forget, any player that wears a SA jersey is automatically considered a god regardless of how they play.



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    #35236
    Alessandro Vast Numskull
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357541#Comment_122357541

    Bit of a silly comment when irish players are viewed that way here. Any suggestion that an irish players not perfect and people get slated



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    #35237
    Jump_In_Jack
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    Just watching back the Snyman take out on Casey, it really should have been a red card, he missed the ball and then took two steps before driving through on a vulnerable player. It's dangerous, and had a severe outcome. The referee completely bottled it. It was a hitman job, he didn't care about the ball he just targetted a hit on the player, a bit cowardly really, he didnt' attempt that on a player his own size. This qualifies as dangerous play, and pretending it's part of the game is complete rubbish IMO. It's an off the ball hit, deserved a red card.



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    #35238
    Clo-Clo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357583#Comment_122357583

    no they are not, jus read this forum and other and it’s critical comment after critical comment on players


    You claimed Kleyn was better than every second row in Ireland apart from Beirne, that’s a certain level of nonsense nobody can take serious.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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    #35239
    Clo-Clo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357624#Comment_122357624

    it’s not a red or even a yellow but it should have been an Ireland penalty


    Andy Dunne had good take on it, he was trying to leave something on the 9 like a lot of players do, stop him getting to next ruck and slow Irish ball, he just hit him too hard and his head hit the ground, his head doesn’t hit the ground and nothing is said about it, apart from him been offside anyway



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    #35240
    Shehal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357583#Comment_122357583

    Yeah because its an Irish rugby forum genius.

    Just look at Rugby twitter, an SA player only needs to have 1 or 2 good games to be considered world class whereas an Irish player needs about 1 year of a similar level of performances to get anywhere near the same level of gratitude.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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    #35241
    Alessandro Vast Numskull
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357637#Comment_122357637

    Plenty of positives the negative in this case being i think mccarthy didnt have a better game than etzebeth ... and then you call saffas touchy

    And i stand by that kleyn comment because hes an actual tighthead lock and not an 8 masqueradeing as one. Rysn i lime more than most i just dont think he was an impending lions captain like some did and i think kleynis better as specific aspects of the game ryan was a phenominal light lock as a young player that got forced into a roleset out of desperation for ireland to have that bit th lock and has stagnated a bit with it



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    #35242
    Alessandro Vast Numskull
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357664#Comment_122357664

    So your gripe is that everyones not biased enough? Super

    Twitters awful dont go looking for honest opinions there everyone assumes bad faith at the begining



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    #35243
    Jump_In_Jack
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357649#Comment_122357649

    It qualifies as dangerous play under the laws, and the severity of the outcome of his dangerous actions deserved a red. He had no business doing what he did, he should have paid for his decision to take out a player in the manner he did off the ball.



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    #35244
    Alessandro Vast Numskull
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357672#Comment_122357672

    It was a dog shot but nobodys ever giving a card for that



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    #35245
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357672#Comment_122357672

    I'm not sure anyone is going to call a late tackle as dangerous play though. I don't particularly disagree with your sentiment, I think he knew full well what he was doing, it was deliberately late and he deliberately landed on him to "send a message". It was an insanely long follow through on an already late tackle. But under the current laws I'm not sure there is a ref in the game who would look at that and call it a red card, and few enough who would say yellow.

    Maybe the laws need changing, maybe WR need to highlight what is done about "egregious" late hits or something, I dunno.



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    #35246
    Jump_In_Jack
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357680#Comment_122357680

    Don't try to defend the indefensible, it doesn't make you seem any tougher. This is dangerous and should be reffed out of the game.

    https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/9
    Section 9: Foul Play

    Sub-section: Dangerous play

    13. A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously. Dangerous tackling includes, but is not limited to, tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders.
    14. A player must not tackle an opponent who is not in possession of the ball.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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    #35247
    ionadnapóca
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    My Guess:

    South Africa: Team named today at 11:30am.

    Willie le Roux; Kurt-Lee Arendse, Jesse Kriel, Damian de Allende, Cheslin Kolbe; Handre Pollard, Faf de Klerk; Ox Nche, Bongi Mbonambi, Frans Malherbe; Eben Etzebeth, Franco Mostert; Siya Kolisi (capt), Pieter-Steph du Toit, Evan Roos.

    Reps: Malcolm Marx, Steenekamp, Vincent Koch, Moerat, RG Snyman, Kwagga Smith, Grant Williams, Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu.

    IRELAND: Team named Thursday?

    Jimmy O'Brien or Osborne; Calvin Nash, Gar®y Ringrose, Jamie Osborne or McCloskey, James Lowe* or Stockdale (gulp); Jack Crowley, Conor Murray; Andrew Porter*, Rónan Kelleher, Tadhg Furlong; Joe McCarthy, Tadhg Beirne; Peter O’Mahony (capt), Josh van der Flier, Caelan Doris.

    Reps: Herring, Cian Healy, Finlay Bealham, James Ryan, Ryan Bird, Cormac Izuchukwu, Blade, Sam Prendergast.

    Score: 28-13*



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    #35248
    Jump_In_Jack
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357688#Comment_122357688

    I've quoted the law above, the severity of the outcome should be taken into account when a player does something off the ball, and the laws are there to punish it. Needs better refereeing in the sport if that gets ignored across the board.



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    #35249
    Buer
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    I'd be shocked if a referee gave a card even if the TMO did call it. Snyman walked the fine line of scragging his arm and immediately following through to tackle Casey. It was a cheap shot to bang up the opposition scrum half, he knew what he was doing but the outcome was completely accidental through contact with the ground.

    It should be given as a penalty as he tackled the guy after the ball was gone from an offside position but there was nothing wrong with the actual mechanics of the tackle.



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    #35250
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357706#Comment_122357706

    I don't think anyone is arguing it's not a penalty (except Jaco Peyper anyway).

    I'm not massively a fan of the severity of outcome being a factor, though I acknowledge it is already used in things like tackling in the air. A legitimate tackle could have ended in the same outcome pretty easily. My emotional reaction is that a yellow would have been "fair" but I don't think it's completely straightforward. Doesn't take away from it clearly being a pretty unsavoury thing to do and none of it reflects well on him.



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    #35251
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357415#Comment_122357415

    If ryan or mccarthy were as good as you have them in your head, ireland and leinster would win more things. At some point some of these guys have to be overrated compared to public perception and that is the most obvious gap to me by far.

    Ryan looked better than mccarthy.. i didn't see a vastly superior performance vs eben.



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