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Orange is the new Burke

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,731 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    This is as tedious as the Burke's behaviour.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    There is a thread on the front page about scams. I seen the ad for Simeon and laughed, presuming it was someone taking the p*ss. Does anyone actually think he is providing tutorials in Castlebar? Maybe he is but in reality, it is someone poking fun who pulled his photo from somewhere (because who would post their photo in a grinds lesson advert).

    The irony being that the thread in AH couldn't understand how easily people fall for scams and well, this thread implies that we are all vulnerable if we see something we want to believe.

    Much like the thread in AH, it could be real but lets be honest, it probably isn't.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don’t think superprof is a scam, it’s a genuine site, and Simeon is one of the listed tutors. Given what @Peregrinus posted earlier, it isn’t beyond the realms of possibility that he is offering grinds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,731 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    There are some Youtube videos of Enoch giving lessons on line, and in fairness he sounds very good, patient, clear, overall a good teacher.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Apologies, didn't think the site was a spoof, just that the ad was, and I have done zero looking into if it was genuine or not because I genuinely don't give a f*ck but it reminded me of ads I have seen over the years on FB or adverts where someone thought it would be funny to impersonate someone. Normally such grinds happen near university campuses, so in Galway, in Cork, in Dublin etc. Not a legal person in any way shape or form, but aside from being a Burke, the fact that they were offered in Castlebar would make me suspicious.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tutorials are available online these days, I suspect Mayo has a few law students.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Like I said, I haven't looked or researched the link. Just that, normally, a link like that on boards, people would be skeptical. Not that it matters.



  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Simeon is the one in the ad though (real or not) offering grinds in civil law. To be fair to him, he's got plenty of practice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,731 ✭✭✭✭looksee




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  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I know they look alike but they are different people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,731 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Oh sorry, I thought the thread was about Enoch, I'll come back later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭scottser


    I really want Enoch to be ripped, have a swallow tattoo on his neck and habitually sharpen his toothbrushes into shanks now that he's at home. Even better if he tells the ma he only answers to the name 'Preacher' now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Sorry, please explain, in what context do they espouse the literall interpretation of the Bible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,248 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    They look like they are going to either a funeral or a debs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,731 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    That's their court attire, they get great value for those clothes when you consider cost per wear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,248 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,731 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are you taking the pisss? From where do you think they are deriving their beliefs on gender/sexuality?

    They describe themselves as evangelical Christian’s, and one of the core beliefs of EC’s is that the Bible is the true word of God.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,441 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    And what does the bible say about gender identity or sexuality? Be specific.



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  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No Peregrinus , I will not quote the Bible, and I’m not sure what you gain other than being a smart arse by asking me to quote it. I have little religious faith and don’t read the Bible.

    The Burkes’s are EC and as stated, a core of their beliefs is that the Bible is God’s TRUE word. I did not claim that I understood their way of practicing religion, only that the practice of their religion is centred on the Bible and THEIR interpretation of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,441 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    In this post . .

    . . . you suggest that they derive their beliefs on gender/sexuality from the Bible.

    I don't think I'm being a smart arse in asking you to join the dots here. I'm sceptical that they derive their beliefs on gender/sexuality from the Bible, but I'm open to being persuaded that they do. However my asking you about this has elicited a response revealing that you don't read the bible, and therefore your views about the extent to the Burkes' views on gender and sexuality are based on the bible may not be all that well-informed.

    Sure, theyt may take the view that the Bible is "God's TRUE word", and they may espouse a very literal interpretation of the bible. But the problem with a literal interpretation of the bible is that it can only give you God's truth (or even God's TRUTH) on matters which the bible directly addresses. There are a great many matters that the bible doesn't address — gender identity is just one of them — and a strictly literal reading of the bible will necessarily cast no light on them.

    Wherever the Burkes are getting their views on gender identity, it won't be from a literal reading of the bible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,731 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I don't think it so much matters what the bible says as what they think it says.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are asking me for insight into their beliefs, one I have no understanding of. I did not claim to know the Bible, in fact I can state the opposite. But, it would be inconceivable that you would not know that their religious beliefs, and their interpretation of the Bible, shapes their lives. Burke has stated as much when referring to gender.

    “Transgenderism is against my Christian belief. It is contrary to the scriptures, contrary to the ethos of the Church of Ireland and of my school.”

    Can I join the dots between the Bible and their interpretation of it? no, I suspect few people can. Can I connect the dots on the fact that the Burkes base their views on that interpretation? Well, yes, they pretty much shout about God/Christianity and what they believe his teachings to be at every opportunity and how Judges error from their understanding of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,441 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    If the Burkes base their position on their interpretation of the bible, then by definition they're not basing it on a literal reading of the bible. In fact, on issues like gender identity they've got to be exercising a considerable degree of latitude to reason from the various biblical texts to the position that they now hold.

    They are, I suspect, in denial about the extent of the interpretive apparatus that gets them from their starting point to their end point, and about how much of themselves and their preferences they are bringing into that process.

    But just because they are in denial about that does not mean that we need to be. It may be an article of faith for Enoch Burke that his views on gender identity are mandated by the bible, but there is no obvious reason why you should share that faith. Is Enoch Burke really someone you want to tog out with, intellectually speaking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Christianity is based on belief and the teachings from the Bible, that is true. Other religions also exist, all of which depend on beliefs based in faith. Sometimes one belief clashes with another belief, and a conflict of beliefs can occur. Throw an ism into the mix and then you have another type of clash as we are witnessing with the ongoing saga.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I am unaware of any specific reference to gender identity in the Bible.

    However, on the subject of homosexuality, Enoch has quoted a verse from Leviticus 18:22 which says "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind. It is an abomination".

    With placards, for extra emphasis! This photo of Enoch was taken during his campaign to be Equality Officer at NUIG.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh, and here's another one, used during the same campaign, this time quoting Genesis.

    Genesis.JPG

    Source: A Warning to NUIG Students



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Also Leviticus


    The relevant biblical verses (Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11) prohibit wearing wool and linen fabrics in one garment, the blending of different species of animals, and the planting together of different kinds of seeds (collectively known as kilayim).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,868 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    For Christians they sure do bang on about the old testament a bunch more than the new testament.



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