https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jun/09/eu-europe-elections-2024-results-news-updates-live-latest
I'm absolutely shocked
A fair few right wing/fascists folk left very disappointed on this thread tonight .
That’s Britain rejecting the far right and now France . Only the rapist and convicted felon trump to go now.
Vive la France !
It's been a quite terrible week for right populists. First the UK result and then most of them around Europe were positively salivating at the idea of a far right government being elected in one of the two main founding members of the EU.
Shall we have a minute's silence for them?
The big right wing breakthrough never seems to actually happen. The media have been talking about this (and predicting it) for the last ten years at least. The UK press were gleefully predicting impending right wing governments all over Europe a good six or seven years ago.
Melenchon could be troublesome, isn't he somewhat Marxist? Hopefully his "coalition" partners and his own party will keep him in check.
Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for. Hard left better than hard right? I dunno…
Hard right would be definitely be the more dangerous of the two - more likely to lock people up, curtail press freedoms, deport people and so on. They are authoritarians at heart.
From what I read lots in the left coalition don’t like him, no chance of him becoming pm according to that.
The real danger was far right with a majority in parliament due to split in vote between far left, left, centre, centre right.
The New Popular Front on course for most seats but long way off a majority. And as you note it is a coalition itself ofsorts - it includes parties other than the far left such as socialists and greens.
You are insufferable.
No, as I understand it they are extrapolations based on the early counts. Not exit polls at all.
So this is like People Before Profit winning this election?
Not exactly. It would be more like a pact of PBP, Greens, Soc Dems and Labour getting about 60 seats here.
I'm reading online they want to reduce the retirement age and introduce price controls.
This would be very radical in an Irish context and Labour/Soc Dems wouldn't support those policies.
Shiver just went down my spine God help the French in how they'll put a government together
The homophobic supporters of the far right National Rally must be very disappointed at such a showing. Lets hope this puts them back in their box rather than galvanised into lashing out in violent hate.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240619-rights-safety-lgbtq-people-danger-risk-far-right-win-french-parliamentary-elections-bardella-le-pen-macron
Looks like a catastrophe for the centre ground in France.
Let's see how the markets respond this week.
Macron is a lame duck.
The Socialists are a major part of the grouping. They have been in power before in France. They are in same grouping in European Parliament as Labour.
That is why I drew the parallel with Labour here.
PBP have never been in government here or held high offices.
Left wing in France is vastly different to Ireland.
Not really, there are independent centre right who didn't participate in the electoral pact, centrists did better than expected, PS and greens did ok, Melonchon is very divisive, even among the left. There's also regional independents in the mix
Then why did you compare it to Ireland in the first place?
Baffling.
Because there seems to be some joy here about the result. When put in an Irish context, that joy seems to recede. The left wing in France are extreme and divisive.
It's a disaster for France.
Posters here just heard the far right lost and they were happy with that. No analysis or examination of anything else.
The 'joy' is that the disaster of a far right National Rally / National Front majority government has been stopped in its tracks.
Would you have preferred that?
The popular front participated in the election pact, withdrawing candidates from runoffs so as not to split the anti RN vote. Would an extreme and divisive group have done that? Would PBP here? Doubtful.
The popular front likewise is far short of a majority and will need to work with other parties, boosting moderare elements within in. It is messy but France will muddle through such a mess.
It would be devastating for Ireland if People Before Profit won elections here.
Not sure what point you are making there. Yes there are other smaller parties too, the centrists did better than expected but the main point is that the popular front are on track for most seats but well off a majority - true or false?
In Irish terms I used 60 seat comparison to show how far off a majority they are, it needs more than a few independents or micro parties to form a workable majority?
It would be a very different conversation if either of the big three factions were at 250 seats.
You didnt answer the simple question put to you relating to the thread topic. Never a good sign.
It is a thread discussing the French election results and the multiple differences to such a situation in Ireland have been explained to you - such as the electoral pact with Centrists, such as the presence of Socialists in the popular front who have held high offices of state in France before, and that the popular front are 100 seats off a majority.
Yet you still keep grinding the same irrelevent axe.
Were you hoping for the far right to win a majority instead???
No.
The Centre lost. They've shifted to the extremes in France.
The market reaction tomorrow should be interesting.
Ridiculous and irrelevant point. France unbowed didn't win a majority.
The left wing in France are not extremists or 'extreme'.They have a very strong tradition of left wing parties since the Revolution and have had socialist governments and Presidents in the past (Mitterand and Hollande for example).
Remarkable. My knowledge of French politics is pretty limited but I guess that's pretty good news for European politics overall after Macron's rash decision.
