I wonder how this will work out for him
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What a nutter. Standing around in the corridor all day. I'd be worried about what he could possibly do myself.
The corridor of a school with literal children.
Anyone else would have been dragged into the back of a Paddy Wagon being bounced off everything on the way there.
In your professional legal opinion?
You're simply wrong about this Boggles, and you're just dragging it out now.
I wonder why you didn't do your search for distress,
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/distress
He was literally arrested for criminal trespass. 🤷♀️
Lots of people are arrested for things and never charged with them. Nothing unusual there.
There is no point, if he/she can’t understand that the DPP didn’t think the circumstances existed for a prosecution to succeed, at this stage, there is nothing to be gained by dragging the thread down any further.
Some people it seems have more rights than others
One should be able to reasonably reckon that Burke's physical presence in the school building, after he was suspended from his teaching duties there, was without a purpose useful to the school and its staff and pupils. Link that to the fact that it was for a full day and that the staff had to find alternative routes for the schoolchildren to get from classroom to classroom without meeting him.
At least one of those children was the pupil whom he refused to recognize as transgender who would be aware of Burke volubly expressing his opinion about their situation. Should that pupil have come across Burke inside the school alone on a corridor the outcome would have been chaotic. Presumably Burke meant to accost some-one within the building and not just stood like a statue inside the building.
One thing I know about humans and that's they have natural bodily functions to perform daily. I presume that the principal would have set rules up for the use of toilet facilities for the transgender pupil on a daily-use basis in order to prevent upset. Add in the presence of Burke in the building without lawful purpose, the school would have to have taken further measures to protect the transgender pupil, who would then feel under extra stress, if not fear, due to Burke unwarranted presence inside the building. The kindness shown to him, during his unwarranted activities at the school, by the parents of the school children is remarkable.
This lad is offering law tutoring- might be a help to Boggles.
Probably the only way he will make a living.
Imagine taking lessons on the law from a Burke.
He has a first-class BCL from UCG, an LLM from Cambridge, and is a qualified barrister. The Burkes may tend to insanity, bu they're quite bright.
Educated but not very intelligent.
They may be bright, but they have no common sense - and have no respect for the Courts or the law.
I wouldn't trust a Burke to act on my behalf in any court action - civil or criminal - and certainly wouldn't take any instruction or advice from one.
Gods law comes before all else, to the Burkes.
The lights are on, but there’s no one home.
Sure. I wouldn't instruct Simeon to act for me. But if you want to pass exams with flying colours and academic distinction, he has that down pat, and he has evidently never felt it necessary to let is social, political or religious convictions get in the way of that.
You're most likely correct, and I expect he would excel at anything he chose to do.
But if I had a child who wanted to study / was studying law, I would hesitate to send them to a Burke for tutoring, as I feel their beliefs have to much of an influence over everything they do. It's literally why Enoch is now without a job, and Ammi can't act in a courtroom without getting thrown out of it.
He might have did whatever he needed to to pass his own exams, but the Burkes can't seem to stop themselves from preaching, when it comes to anyone else.
It's just another consequence (for them) of their public actions.
I suspect they pay for legal tuition, not religious instruction, and from the reviews, he would appear to be good at what he tutors.
My point is I would be skeptical they can do one, without somehow shoe-horning in the other if they get a chance.
e.g. "the law says this… but God says that". (Crude example, but you get my meaning).
Which is why I personally would never choose to use a service offered by a member of the Burke family, either tutoring, teaching, or legal.
Their reputation goes before them.
(I always take reviews with a pinch of salt, but that is everywhere. Too easy to fake.)
I think that is just your bias, if trainee solicitors are paying for tutorials in civil law, there is no reason to think they would accept a religious slant on the tutorial. This isn’t like a teacher who has employment rights, it is an online tutorial where students pay for short tuition.
Of course others may decide to hire them, I simply offered my reasons why I wouldn't.
The point is, your reputation matters and it always proceeds you.
Mod - Drop the pages long argument over legal definitions, it's off topic and is frankly annoying as hell at this stage. Take it to PM if you must.
First day studying law tutor puts the question to the class, "where do our laws originally come from?"
My ininitial response was that they stemmed from religious or cultural values imposed on us which the tutor pointed out was incorrect and explained that laws were essentially instinctive regulations that all societies naturally gravitated toward in order to maintain some form of social rule. A la the story of a group of Tongan schoolboys shipwrecked on a desert island who developed a system of rules to govern their conduct and ensure co operation which enhanced their survival and chances of rescue.
I find it difficult to comprehend how they conflate their own personal moral beliefs with the rule of law, when they clearly continue to espouse their intolerance for it while claiming religious law is superior. Baffling.
edit:posted this at same time of mod post so didn't see the warning
It isn’t that hard to understand, God plays a prominent role in the Irish constitution, the problem with the Burkes is that they espouse the literal interpretation of the Bible.
The Irish contitution isn't the justice system though, which is what they claim to represent (and teach).
If you are referring to the aforementioned Simeon giving tutorials in civil law, have you something to support he is teaching his religious beliefs when providing tutorials?
His conduct in the real world suggests a level of intolerance incompatible with the rule of law and they don't shy away from advocating religious superiority. Acquiring a qualification in a subject does not place one above it. To quote the Chief Justice
The Bar is a profession involving duties and privileges, he said.The privilege is a right of audience in the courts of Ireland and, in a more general way, of representing someone in court and being their voice, he said. The duty “is nothing less than the duty to promote and uphold the rule of law”.It is of “the utmost importance that you adhere to the highest ethical standards”, he told the graduates. A barrister’s first obligation is to their client, “to be courageous in the way in which you advance that client’s case but also to do courteously within the bounds of the rules of ethics and your duty to the court.”A point “loses nothing of its force, indeed gains something, by being put firmly, certainly, but also politely and respectfully”, he said. A “fundamental component” of the rule of law, he added, is to accept and abide by court decisions.“But the fact you will not speak today has a message,” he said. “If you think your future involves making high flown speeches and being the centre of attention, you are in the wrong place.”“Don’t worry,” he added, “there are a number of good acting schools that will for a modest fee retrain you for a job that might suit you better.”
The Bar is a profession involving duties and privileges, he said.
The privilege is a right of audience in the courts of Ireland and, in a more general way, of representing someone in court and being their voice, he said. The duty “is nothing less than the duty to promote and uphold the rule of law”.
It is of “the utmost importance that you adhere to the highest ethical standards”, he told the graduates. A barrister’s first obligation is to their client, “to be courageous in the way in which you advance that client’s case but also to do courteously within the bounds of the rules of ethics and your duty to the court.”
A point “loses nothing of its force, indeed gains something, by being put firmly, certainly, but also politely and respectfully”, he said. A “fundamental component” of the rule of law, he added, is to accept and abide by court decisions.
“But the fact you will not speak today has a message,” he said. “If you think your future involves making high flown speeches and being the centre of attention, you are in the wrong place.”
“Don’t worry,” he added, “there are a number of good acting schools that will for a modest fee retrain you for a job that might suit you better.”
You still haven’t provided anything to support Simeon is teaching his version of religious beliefs when providing tuition on civil law, do you have any supporting information?
The Burkes practice an extreme/literal version of Gods word, which is incompatible with modern society and has led to a lifetime of trouble for them. They are wrong, there is no debating that, they are from a bygone era of intolerance. But, religion still holds a prominent place in our society, and as the following quote from our constitution shows, God does feature.
“All powers of government, legislative, executive and judicial, derive, under God, from the people, whose right it is to designate the rulers of the State and, in final appeal, to decide all questions of national policy, according to the requirements of the common good.”
Note: the highlighted text is just from the copy and paste rather than me trying to highlight it.
Glad you clarified the highlighted text is not of your own preference. It is however very apt. Thankfully non of the Burkes are deciding national policy or legislation or indeed,running for Government.
I didn't suggest that he is teaching religious beliefs, I said it is baffling that they continue to conflate their religious ideaology with the rule of law and as as is evidenced by their conduct, believe it is superior to it.
Actually you did when you posted:
“(and teach)”
and you'll notice that was in response to your leading question which suggested I was implying as much. In this instance though it refers to the fact that Simeon is actually teaching civil law.
You didn't quote what I said in its full context. Just for reference:
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