Will this be "Independence Day" from the Tories?
In other words, you can't even be bothered to make your own argument.
You are right, you don't seem to know anything and I'm not teaching you.
This isn't how debate works.
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I don't require teaching from anyone, least of all someone spouting MAGA tropes. We're done here.
Did Sunak hold his seat?
According to Wikipedia Labour's vote dropped by over half a million votes this time around compared to 2019, and they lost over 3 million compared to 2017.
The reality is that Starmer underwhelms in almost every way - 33.8% of the votes, with slightly under 60% of the electorate bothering to vote. Which means that Labour in 2024 managed to convince very slightly more than 20% of the electorate to vote for them.
Starmer has the backing of just 1 in five potential voters, which is hardly a great endorsement of his leadership. It looks like Labour under Starmer - while certainly having gained a vast majority in parliament - may be going the same route as FF in Ireland. If you just count MPs, his mandate looks overwhelming, however the underlying figures tell a completely different story.
" gained more than half a million fewer votes"
i've had a few beers, so excuse me if this confuses me!
Edited for clarity!😚
Yes from what I read earlier.
Counting MPs is literally all that matters.
I don't care for FPTP but it is the system that is in place, and thus the system that parties and voters moderate all their actions towards. And in that system all that matters is winning seats and Labour won an awful lot of them.
:)
It's pretty much a 2 horse race, one party has to win.
According to Wikipedia Labour's Tory's vote dropped by over half a million votes 7.5 million votes (that can't be right????) this time around compared to 2019.
If you can't get someone to vote for you, you can't go blaming the other party! It looks clear the Tory's lost their voters.
Johnson got a win with 29%…. that's ok, but Starmer getting a win with only 20% is bad?
What's you're threshold…. 25%…. 24.5%?
Our current government seemed to have lasted despite SF having the popular vote. We don't (and neither do the UK) elect a government on a popular vote. We elect members of our political chambers, it's not like a presidential race.
Apparently it is - just shy of 14 million votes in 2019, 6.8 in this one. They probably lost more votes to Reform UK than to Labour though - Labour's share of the popular vote only went up slightly.
SNP down from 48 seats to 9 seats 😲
Sounds like they have been consumed by their very own "Hate monster" which they tried to foist upon the people of Scotland, that plus all the carry-on with their obsession in pushing the gender self id stuff even after it was rejected by Westminster & by the Scottish electorate. Banging on about Indi ref II was another mistake, not forgetting the Sturgeon saga & the in-house fighting with Salmond. All in all the SNP (like the Tories) need some time out to regroup & reconsider their policies before attempting to get reelected. Disastrous result for the SNP.
It does put the Scottish independence fight on a longer finger no doubt but Scotland had a part to play in getting that nut job Conservative party out of power and they did that. Their day will come, it'll take patience.
I noticed that the former leader Alex Salmond was running another independence party called Alba who got nowhere.
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FPTP is so weird a system.
It's call democracy. People are not forced to vote lihenin some countries where its mandatory or have to vote because an authorities regime would consider you a dissident.
Starmer won tge election. I am not a fan of FPTP but that is the UK system it oro ide for stable government with the largest party not having to usually negotiate with smaller minority parties. Yes they get coalitions every 40 but in general they have fairly stable governance.
However if Labour have an sense they will bring in some sort of change to the UK system whether its runoff or a form of PR like list systems with a minimum threshold.
It makes sense in a lot of ways at a constituency level as it's vote for your favoured candidate , most votes wins the constituency.It's very simple
However it's stupid for national government elections as it massively discourages people from voting and if you're in a safe labour/tory constituency why the hell would you bother voting when you know your vote will be pointless, it's a system that is quite disenfranchising.
Do any countries use FPTP with multi seat constituencies? E.g. a three seater where it's the three candidates with the most votes?
Question - what happens in the UK with their FPTP system if the top two candidates in a constituency got the exact same number of votes?
Coin toss or similar.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-39818052
England does for council elections. You get multiple votes to match the seats available
Usually means 2* or 3* same party but not always. Brighton has had lots of Green / Labour split wards. Also makes it a little easier for Independents.
the FPtP system seems to hide upcoming problems , KS is still a boring leader and labour werent elected to get some ambitious programme through , the electorate just wanted to punish the Conservatives (which is fine) but it means 2029 is liable to be rocky
I don't care if Starmer is boring. In fact, I'd prefer it. Government is serious business and deserves serious people, not the cretins we've had to endure for the past decade and a half.
Lib dems won another seat in Scotland. They had a good election, all in all.
the funny thing to watch though is will it stay boring, or will it become the SNP on steroids . Ill lean the second over time
So it's her fault? What did she do to encourage these people?
It was a Labour government under Blair and Brown that caused the 2007 financial crisis in the UK.
Expectations for the Starmer government are through the roof. It's going to be interesting to see how he tackles the deep structural problems that the UK faces. The ageing population, the massive debt, the large numbers out of the workforce, one million immigrants a year, the cost of living, etc.
Starmer is going to fail, just like Sunak, Truss, Johnson, and all the others before him.
