Lot of youths leagues/cups at provincial final stage
Munster has 3 tiers of Munster competition at under 14 16 and 18 with development competitions for those that dont make knock outs in each tier at 16 and 18s
South Munster dont compete in the Munster 14s so its very much dominated by north munster sides.
18s development plate young munster beat newport
18s development cup final. old christians beat nenagh
16s development plate killorglin beat waterford city
16s development bowl old crescent beat fermoy
14s competitions
Thurles beat Garryowen in cup
Bruff beat Charleville in Plate
Young Munster beat Nenagh in Bowl
Marys-Richmond-Thomond beat Bruff u13s in Shield
decent results considering - PBC players eased in and benching and no Blackrock or Marys players.. as well as certain injuries
schools won 42-19
clubs and schools won 34-33
Worth noting that it’s without the Leinster Schools Cup finalists from Rock and Marys so have to figure another few from them would feature.
Names I’ve seen or heard buzz about are:
-Dylan Gray - RBAI winger
-Tommy Smyth - Terenure 9
-Ruben Flynn - Connacht flanker
on the schools side:
-Michael Smyth - Terenure flanker (older brother of Tommy Smyth)
-Luke Kelly - Newbridge winger
And obviously Herbie Boyle
irish 18s have 2 teams playing this weekend
15. Finn Brennan (Kilkenny College/Leinster Rugby)14. Matthew McCarthy (St. Michael’s College/Leinster Rugby)13. Niall Fallon (Terenure College/Leinster Rugby)12. Ryan McCormack (Ardscoil Rís Limerick/Munster Rugby)11. Luke Kelly (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)10. Michael Kenny (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)9. Johnny Woods (Wesley College/Leinster Rugby)1. Herbie Boyle (St. Michael’s College/Leinster Rugby)2. Harry Heagney (Glenstal Abbey School/Clontarf FC/Munster Rugby)3. Alex Stinson (Royal School Armagh/Ulster Rugby)4. Dara Walsh (Coláiste Éinde/Galway Corinthians RFC/Connacht Rugby) (capt)5. Alex Ryan (Cistercian College Roscrea/Munster Rugby)6. Thibault Campbell (Wesley College/Leinster Rugby)7. Michael Smyth (Terenure College/Leinster Rugby)8. Xabi Scanlan (Castletroy College/Munster Rugby)
Replacements:
16. Brion Donagh (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)17. Lewis Robinson (Regent House School/Ulster Rugby)18. Rory O’Brien (Terenure College/Leinster Rugby)19. Tom Murray (Presentation Brothers College Cork/Munster Rugby)20. Hugh Keaney (Clongowes Wood College/Leinster Rugby)21. Rian MacFarlane O’Shea (Presentation Brothers College Cork/Munster Rugby)22. Lewis Lenihan (Bandon Grammar School/Munster Rugby)23. Alex Moloney (Presentation Brothers College Cork/Munster Rugby)24. Daniel Murphy (Presentation Brothers College Cork/Munster Rugby)
15. Johnny Martin (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)14. Brian A McCulloch (Clongowes Wood College/Leinster Rugby)13. Connor Patton (Royal Belfast Academical Institution/Ulster Rugby)12. Joshua Grant (Clongowes Wood College/Leinster Rugby)11. Dylan Gray (Royal Belfast Academical Institution/Ulster Rugby)10. Harrison McMahon (St. Michael’s College/Leinster Rugby)9. Tommy Smyth (Terenure College/Leinster Rugby)1. Dylan Jenkins (The Campion School/Saracens/IQ Rugby)2. Calum Tutty (St. Augustine’s College/Dungarvan RFC/Munster Rugby)3. Ryan Grant (Belvedere College/Leinster Rugby)4. Archie Graham (Dalriada School/Ulster Rugby)5. Phil Lynch (St. Michael’s College/Leinster Rugby)6. Cillian McElwee (St. Kieran’s College, Kilkenny/Kilkenny RFC/Leinster Rugby)7. Ruben Flynn (Cistercian College Roscrea/Galway Corinthians RFC/Connacht Rugby) (capt)8. Adam Brennan (Rugby Club Vannes/IQ Rugby)
16. Michael Landers (St. Munchin’s Colllege/Munster Rugby)17. Caden Smith (Glenstal Abbey School/Munster Rugby)18. Jack Power (Lucan Community College/MU Barnhall RFC/Leinster Rugby)19. JJ Phillips (Coláiste lognáid/Galwegians RFC/Connacht Rugby)20. Cian McClean (Royal Belfast Academical Institution/Ulster Rugby)21. Sam Harper (Omagh Academy/Omagh Accies RFC/Ulster Rugby)22. Ollie Worth (Clongowes Wood College/Ulster Rugby)23. Najim Jagana (Ardscoil Rís Limerick/Munster Rugby)24. Matthew McKenna (St. Michael’s College/Leinster Rugby)
Munster clubs 17s and 18s and the 19s played connacht in sportsground today
I don’t know what the other provinces do so not commenting on them although I assume there is something similar mostly. The regional cup in Leinster is very good at identifying lads from around 15 to go into camps (not generally residential) over summer holidays and at mid term etc. know a few kids gone through it boys and girls and the set up seems very slick. They get really good coaching along with other bits off field. the standard of club coaching is generally okay but can be hit and miss a bit based on the luck of the dad being competent. Although again Leinster give good help there, my lads actually have a Leinster officer coming up next week to work on a specific that we asked him about.
How exactly am I being unfair? I’ve never actually accepted the premise that is often thrown out there that Leinster’s significant out-production of players is predominantly attributable to money in the schools system, but it’s an argument that has been trotted out on here (and elsewhere) countless times over the years.
But this selection (and this isn’t unusual at all over the past 5 years or so) absolutely can’t be attributed to that kind of advantage, especially when Connacht are so materially out performing Munster and Ulster.
If Munster have made wholesale changes and we’ll see these ratios shift a bit over the next few years then I’m very glad to hear it, but it hasn’t come to pass yet.
Hard to know why Munster have so few, tbey finished ahead of Connacht and Ulster in the youths interpros though obviously squads are picked on more than those games alone. FTD i think you are being unfair. Munster have made changes in their development systems and i really think it will be seen next year and in two years time when the players whove come through the munster clubs select set up are seen at interpro level, this side has been very strong past 2 years beating A schools all around them in group stage of junior schools cup which bodes well for interpros
Will qualify this in that there is a couple of players playing in this team who play their rugby with Glenstal. starting hooker plays sct with glenstal
Munster is a weird one.
We've probably had one of the most successful club pathways over the past while in producing guys that come onto senior contracts: JOD, Jack Daly, Edogbo X2, Butler, Coughlan, O'Riordan partially, Fineen Whycherley partially (think Josh might've been fully CCR from the get go), Tom Ahern, John Hodnett, Conor Ryan).
Excluding other guys like Eoin O'Connor and Evan O'Gorman who joined the Academy but didn't progress any further (could be loads more of these that I'm missing).
But our last two or three years of Youths squads have been absolutely awful. Don't know if it's a cyclical thing or whether the Munster underage structure has decided to move focus/funding/coaching away from the Clubs team, but the drop in quality at that level has been noticeable. It's a real worry for Cossie and Co I'd say.
Think the Munster JCT CSP team was winning all around them last season so hopefully there'll be a better clubs uptake either next Summer or the following Summer again. (Either that or our schools have gone to the dogs too...)
has to be the level of coaching, at both club and area representative level. Im not familiar with connachts youths club league set up. Do they have an inter area representative league similar to Leinster?
And these are club players, not schools, so youd expect a much great dispersal of player across the 4 provinces.
Connacht are obviously doing things extremely well, in order for them to have the same amount of starters at u18 level as leinster, considering they have 23 clubs and leinster have 71 clubs.
Ulster and munster, at 56 and 59 clubs respectively, have a hell of a lot of catching up to do.
Ireland U18 Clubs v Italy U18 15. Cian Hynes (Tuam RFC/St. Jarlath’s College/Connacht Rugby) 14. Tadg Young (Clontarf RFC/Leinster Rugby) 13. Oisin O’Donoghue (Buccaneers RFC/Marist College, Athlone/Connacht Rugby) 12. Darragh Glennon (Buccaneers RFC/Marist College, Athlone/Connacht Rugby) 11. Owen Egan (Buccaneers RFC/Marist College, Athlone/Connacht Rugby) 10. Joshua O’Keeffe (Newbridge RFC/Leinster Rugby) 9. Sam Harper (Omagh Academy/Ulster Rugby) 1. Aiden McGovern (Boyne RFC/Leinster Rugby) 2. Harry Heagney (Clontarf RFC/Leinster Rugby) 3. Jack Power (MU Barnhall RFC/Leinster Rugby) 4. Dara Walsh (Corinthians RFC/Colaiste Einde, Galway/Connacht Rugby) 5. JJ Phillips (Galwegians RFC/Colaiste Iognaid, Galway/Connacht Rugby) 6. Alan Higgins (Skerries RFC/Leinster Rugby) 7. Reuben Flynn (Corinthians RFC/Cistercian College, Roscrea/Connacht Rugby) Captain 8. Cillian McElwee (Kilkenny RFC/Leinster Rugby) Replacements: 16. Calum Tutty (Dungarvan RFC/Munster Rugby) 17. Dylan Jenkins (Saracens/The Campion School/IQ Rugby) 18. Cathal Moffatt (Sligo RFC/Sligo Grammar/Connacht Rugby) 19. Tyrese Dunlop (Ballymena RFC/Ulster Rugby) 20. Charles Shortall (Rugby Club Massy Essonne/IQ Rugby) 21. Daniel Ward (Bantry Bay RFC/Munster Rugby) 22. James Walls (Skerries RFC/Leinster Rugby) 23. David Cron (DLSP RFC/Leinster Rugby) 24. Dave Sargent (Tralee RFC/Munster Rugby)Top
This argument was posted on Leinsterfans, but I think it's a valid one:
When we see the massive discrepancy at other Irish underage representative sides skewed towards Leinster (i.e. 21 out of 33 players in the Irish U20 training squad via Leinster pathways), the repeated refrain around this is that no one can be expected to compete with the Leinster schools system, but what is the excuse at this level?
Munster have 0 players in the starting XV, and 3 total in the 23, Ulster 1 player in the starting XV and 2 in the 23, while Connacht have 8 players in the 23 (7 starting) and Leinster have 9 in the 23 and 7 starting. Couple of IQ guys.
What's the rationale for the frankly awful contribution of players at this level?
irish 18s clubs squad selected for italian game next month
Aidan McGovern (Boyne RFC/St. Mary’s Diocesan School/Leinster Rugby)
Alan Higgins (Skerries RFC/Skerries Community College/Leinster Rugby)
Callum Tutty (Dungarvan RFC/Munster Rugby)
Cathal Moffatt (Sligo RFC/Sligo Grammar/Connacht Rugby)
Charles Shortall (Rugby Club Massy Essonne/IQ Rugby)
Cian Hynes (Tuam RFC/St. Jarlath’s College/Connacht Rugby)
Cillian McElwee (Kilkenny RFC/St. Kieran’s College Kilkenny/Leinster Rugby)
Daniel Ward (Bantry Bay RFC/Munster Rugby)
Dara Walsh (Corinthians RFC/Coláiste Éinde, Galway/Connacht Rugby)
Darragh Glennon (Buccaneers RFC/Marist College, Athlone/Connacht Rugby)
Dave Sargent (Tralee RFC/Munster Rugby)
David Cron (DLSP RFC/St. Columba’s College/Leinster Rugby)
Dylan Jenkins (Saracens/The Campion School/IQ Rugby)
Franklin Onwuzulumba (Clondalkin RFC/Moyle Park College/Leinster Rugby)
Harry Heagney (Clontarf RFC/Glenstal Abbey/Leinster Rugby)
Jack Power (MU Barnhall RFC/Lucan Community College/Leinster Rugby)
James Walls (Skerries RFC/Skerries Community College/Leinster Rugby)
JJ Phillips (Galwegians RFC/Coláiste Iognáid, Galway/Connacht Rugby)
Joshua O’Keefe (Newbridge RFC/Patricians Secondary School, Newbridge/Leinster Rugby)
Oisín O’Donoghue (Buccaneers RFC/Marist College, Athlone/Connacht Rugby)
Reuben Flynn (Corinthians RFC/Cistercian College, Roscrea/Connacht Rugby)
Sam Harper (Omagh Accies RFC/Omagh Academy/Ulster Rugby)
Tadg Young (Suttonians RFC/St. Fintan’s High School/Leinster Rugby)
Tyrese Dunlop (Ballymena RFC/Ulster Rugby)
Ireland U18 Clubs Management Team:
Johne Murphy – Head Coach
Brett Wilkinson – Assistant Coach
Ricky Andrew – Assistant Coach
Anthony McKibben – Team Manager
James O’Sullivan – Athletic Development Coach
Foster Horan – Team Physio
Dr. Padraigh Sheeran – Team Doctor
Dylan Holmes – Team Analyst
Tom Nyham – Team Logistics.
https://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic_news/state-of-play-underage-interprovincial-championships/
interpros for 18s clubs and 19s start next weekend
under 18 finalists in munster known
cup
Old Christians v Bandon
Development Cup
Dungarvan v Midleton
Plate
Desmond v Crosshaven Cork Con
Development Plate
Old Crescent v Cashel-Clonmel
Bowl
Fermoy v Kanturk
Development Bowl
Ballincollig v St Marys-Thomond-Richmond
16s. Few semi finals to be played
Cup
Clonakilty v Waterpark
Young Munster v Clonmel
Bandon v Midleton or Tralee
Dungarvan or Bruff v Waterpark 15s or Ennis 15s
Youghal v Kilfeacle
Nenagh 15s v Muskerry or Listowel
14s all finals in thomond park on march 29th
Waterford City-Tramore v Bruff
plate
Newcastle West v Shannon
UL Bohs or killarney v Dungarvan or thomond-richmond
Munster underage competitions now at knockout stage. Depensing on age grade its at quarter finals and semi final level
CConnacht Leagurs at finals stage as well.
https://www.irishrugby.ie/2024/10/25/ireland-u18-clubs-squad-named-for-two-match-series-against-italy/
LEINSTER RUGBY U-18s CLUBS SQUAD
Forwards
Backs
Yeah though strongest will make Irish schools team bar any exiles who aren't picked on that side
Yep.
Is that roughly the pool of players that will likely make up the clubs & schools squad?
https://www.irishrugby.ie/2024/07/30/u18-mens-development-squad-named/
It is max flynns brother.
Interesting, going to assume that's Max Flynn's brother also.
Safe assumption. Believe he is backrow.
I wonder if that's a third Gavin brother in the u17s.
SSo wè have all squads named now including iq/exiles except for leinster.
So this is from few weeks ago but any chance we'll see leinster squads before games take place.
https://www.connachtrugby.ie/news/atu-connacht-age-grade-squads-announced/bp3076/
Munster named their 18s and 19s squads for summer programme ahead of interpros
https://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic_news/munster-age-grade-squads-named-for-summer-programme-2/
