I wonder how this will work out for him
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it is a state school.
has been for years.
Boarders pay boarding fees, not tuition
non boarders don’t pay fees
Have the staff or pupils made a complaint to Gardai that they are in fear?
Again, he has already been arrested for criminal trespass.
I have no idea what you are trying to argue here?
But surely the money from the boarders helps?
They're doing the right thing, seems like all the onus is put on them to move the law forward too which seems unfair on the school..
I haven’t a clue how the finances work. I haven’t seen the accounts.
But what does it cost to call the gardai to say someone is trespassing? His contempt of court is between him and the court surely, not the school? are the school taking actions against him at this stage?
a quick google… court awarded costs against EB, he has to pay the school costs.
In Ireland, State school = ETB school.
All other schools are private.
I'm arguing that he hasn't been treated leniently, as you state, he has been jailed for a lot of the last two years for contempt of Court.
The DPP didn't believe the necessary ingredients were there to sustain a prosecution for criminal trespass, one of which was him behaving in such a manner as to cause, or likely to cause fear in another person, and yet you think they should have gone ahead with the prosecution, and probably handed him a win in Court, after which he would have claimed vindication.
Put simply for you, the contempt of court ruling was easier to obtain and had a more serious penalty (imprisonment) than risk losing a criminal case, and even if convicted, he probably would have gotten no more than a slap on the wrist.
People say private meaning fee paying. But you are correct.
There was a report that first year students felt uncomfortable at his presence, though if any formal complaint was made I don't know.
https://archive.ph/2aZpm
You would think if he was allowed stand at the gates indefinitely that eventually someone would crack and have a pop off him. Nobody wants the school their child attends having this publicity or have a strange man hanging around outside.
No, you wouldn’t think someone would assault him.
Just blare a Right Said Fred/Village People playlist from a pair of speakers near the gate. Enoch flight response would trigger and he would have to flee the gay or burst into flame and be sucked into hell.
Something a bit like this epic bit of trolling by Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters on the Westboro Baptist church - Drove around them on a flat bed truck , singing disco tunes
What are the chances of the school collecting the costs they were awarded? Not at all good, would be my impression.
They protested the WBC before
the contempt of court ruling was easier to obtain
That is complete nonsense, the school has been put through the absolute ringer in terms of cost and time dealing with this cretin and will still be dealing with him for some time to come.
How do you think this ends? Or do you think the civil route is working?
The only route that will work is if his criminality is treated as criminal, the same as everyone else in this country.
Contempt of court is a very serious matter because it represents a direct threat to our democracy, so of course it carries a serious tarif right up there with treason which is 40 years. Nobody, but nobody gets to pick and choose which laws they want to abide by and which they don't…… Now you may be happy to go to court, win your rights and then sit back and accept the defendant deciding not to abide by that court's decision, but you would be very much in the minority.
If Burke had been prosecuted for trespass in a manner likely to cause fear, and if he had been conficted (which is by no means certain), the maximum sentence he could have been given would be 12 months plus a fine of €1,270. And, as a first offender, he would not have received the maximum sentence, or anything close to it.
As it is, he has been subject to much longer imprisonment and much heavier fines. Contempt of court is a much more serious matter than criminal trespass.
I'm puzzled as to why you think that giving him a shorter term of imprisonment, and a lower fine, than in fact he received would have been a more effective way of dealing with the problem he presented.
Because a criminal conviction is an extremely serious thing, especially for someone who works with children. Also I think it is a given he would be a repeat offender so prison time would be inevitable.
But this is not about what incarceration he receives, this is about rightly punishing criminality and removing the onus from the school in dealing with the creep.
The civil route which was never designed to be punitive is simply not working, it's what Burke wants.
How do you think this ends?
You seem to be struggling with this.
On the one hand, the DPP have said the circumstances do not exist for them to succeed in a prosecution, using your logic, a criminal case should proceed where there is a poor chance of success. End result? Probable acquittal, Enoch feels vindicated and emboldened, and he goes back to WHS confident in the knowledge the Courts have said he is doing nothing criminally wrong.
Is that what you are saying should happen?
On the other, yes WHS went through the wringer, but a positive civil result in getting Burke away from their property is better than a failed criminal prosecution which means he can stand where he likes without fear of prosecution.
You can make something that isn’t criminal, criminal just because it annoys you. The DPP decides what cases go forward, they have deemed this not sufficiently provable to succeed.
How do I think this ends?, God knows, I suspect Burke’s resolve will be stronger than WHS given that they fought the University in Galway for 7 years, and I doubt even the Judges don’t know what to do if this persists . But as long as he stays on the right side of criminal law, you, or your ilk spitting the dummy isn’t going to change anything.
A conviction for a trespass offence isn't a bar to working with children. Even it were, that clearly wouldn't bother Burke. The actions he has already taken will ensure that he never works in education again.
As for how this ends, how do you think it ends if Burke is convicted of a trespass offence and bound over to keep the peace (which is the likely consequence for a first offender, possible with a three-figure fine)? How does it play out from there? If Burke ignores a High Court injuction how likely is he to be awed by the majesty of a District Court binding-over order?
The truth is that the enforcement mechanism for binding-overs and fines is the the same as for violating an injunction; ultimately, imprisonment. You're just providing a slower and more cumbersome route, with more incidents and more court appearances, for Burke to get to the point he's at now, plus the risk of "vindication" for Burke if he had been acquitted on a trespass charge (which would have been a distinct possibility).
If that was an all boys schools someone would have climbed the wall and pissed down on his head after about the third day. That’d move him on!
Silly question but why does he have that sour puss in every photo? Is he super serious all the time or does he just put it on when the media are about?
If he stands across the road opposite the gate and doesn't trespass on the school grounds then I wonder if he can be lifted?
Doubtful. What could he be lifted for?
Standing on the side of a public road isn't an offence, afaik.
Then that's what he'll do i'd say.
Because he doesn't believe in happiness or enjoyment.
He doesn't think that people should be going around "enjoying themselves" and was quoted as saying that he was once invited to the pub with co-workers and when he contemplated going for a second before deciding not to go he felt like it was a massive failure of his faith and then spent an extended period of time serving penance . Penance for thinking about going to the pub after work with colleagues!!!!
The only enjoyment in his world is through the adoration of God.
In other words , he's mad as a box of frogs.
That suggests that Enoch accepts that he had broken the law and needs to avoid certain actions to evade arrest/detention.
At no point in time has he displayed any awareness or willingness to recognise the authority or rulings of the court.
1st day of the new term he will be at the gate trying to gain access to "go to work" as he categorically believes that none of this ever happened and that he is still employed as a teacher.
That's sad to me, the fact he contemplated it at all indicates that he liked his colleagues and their company, the fact he was invited shows that they liked him as a colleague also but this idea of penance planted in his head (and all of them) from a young age has him ruined.
All the other stuff aside, what a waste of a life.
Agree completely.
The entire family - All of them clearly highly intelligent and well educated.
There's a host of Masters degrees , PhD's , bar qualifications etc. among them and they have rendered them all effectively useless because of their behaviour and absolute refusal to even consider compromise or to view the world through anything other than their extremely narrow hyper religious lens.
A complete waste of all of them.
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