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Well, unfortunately for them that's pretty much their only option.
because of his qualifications, JC has proven his ability to study, quickly grasp concepts, think on his feet, ‘understand what words mean’, understand structures, etc, etc, etc,. So no matter what discipline is handed to him he has the ABILITY to quickly grasp the brief. It’s another story if he has no interest in finance /economics. Time will prove this or otherwise. SECONDLY , his discipline, networking, teamwork would have been well covered in his qualified discipline and with plenty of practical experience
THIRDLY, he will be assisted with seasoned professionals in his new department. if he chooses not to listen to them , well that is another story
Can't see that happening. HC has expressed token 'reluctance' to work with FG but hasn't ruled it out…
The SD's previously said they wouldn't go in with FG, but that was pre Holly.
Why wouldn't it happen? It is clear SD and SF are much closer aligned than SD and FG.
As above, there's no logically reason for them to go into power with FG over SF.
On current polling,how would they have the numbers ?
The Soc Dem are not a Marxist party. They are a bog standard left wing or left of centre outfit - People Before Profit would be much further to the left than them on many issues.
I'm including FF.
https://www.socialdemocrats.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Social-Democrats-Alternative-Budget-2024.pdf
That was their budget proposal for 2024. There's nothing centrist about it.
The only party nobody wants to join with or have conversations with is SF, or their proper name Provisional Sinn Fein
How the next government forms up will be interesting and polls are poll, no matter how it breaks down I don’t see any party now or in future hitching this wagon on the back of PSF
That wouldn't be smart at all, as it will keep the SDs out of government.
FFG dont need the SDs.
A band of indies and/or the Greens, Labour/SDs (basically whomever) will be enough to se them over the line.
If SDs want to govern, they need to ride with FFG.
The fundamental reason is that on current polling numbers, FF and FG are very likely to have other options for putting a government together, albeit in not as smooth and straightforward a way as with the involvement of 10-12 Soc Dem TDs: Greens, Labour, some grouping of independents…So the Soc Dems would not be in a position to put a gun to FF's head in the way you envisage, (even if they wanted to, which I highly doubt)
A FFG, Greens, Labour, independents government isn't an option. They aren't any independents who align with the greens or even Labour.
I think FFG, Independent Ireland + independents is a possibility though.
I think they'll be happy enough to let them put a government together without them.
Fascinating is the new word.
I don't think you understood my post. I said nothing one way or the other about my view of the sentence he received.
All I was doing was pointing to the independence of the judiciary, the need for that, and the resultant conclusion that if you want to blame anyone for the sentence, you blame the judge or the Judicial Council (who have not put guidelines on sentencing in place) and you do not blame the government.
That would be the stupid thing for the Social Democrats to do, not the smart thing.
The smart thing is to go into government with other parties who know how to do the coalition thing. Two parties - SF and SDs - completely new to government would be a huge risk and a stupid thing to do.
FF-SD-Labour-Greens would be a better idea for them.
I don't disagree with you.
However, the anti-government posters on here (all they post is the opposite of everything the government says) have made an argument that he is unqualified unlike other previous Finance ministers. That simply isn't true as an argument.
Now, if they had claimed he was unproven, they might have had a point, however, that is not a reason to criticise the appointment now. All Ministers are unproven the first day they are appointed. It is if they are shown to be useless that the unproven criticism has weight.
I reserve an opinion on Chambers. I have my doubts as he is my local TD and I have never been impressed, but he is certainly more qualified than most for the appointment, and it is not his qualifications, but his personality that give me doubt.
And that there is how you are so wrong in your analysis.
Micheal Martin now has an iron grip on FF. The only internal opposition are the hasbeens like Cuiv and O'Dea or the neverbeens like Jim O'Callaghan. He won't do business with SF, you are backing the wrong horse if you think FF will go in with SF.
I now expect the current government to be returned, which is a good thing for the country.
So FF and FG should haveto be in government every single time? Hilarious. That gave me a good laugh. It would be utterly bizarre for SD to prefer a government with FG over SF.
A smart thing to do is go into government with parties that align with your own polices, not go into government with parties that have completely different polices.
Don't be naive. Of course they will do busines with SF. Michael Martin will do business with anyone who will allow him to become Taoiseach.
It doesn't matter if MM or whoever is leader of FF wants to do business with
It is a party decision, based on my knowledge of the FF party they want nothing to do with SF.
MM says himself he wants nothing to do with them and I don't see that changing.
Again, he'll go in with whatever part can make him Taoiseach.
It's a party decision
FF as a party wanted nothing to do with SF in 2020 and what has changed now to make them want to go in with them?
Fine Gael are trying to hang the Greens yet again over the Transport Plan for Dublin. They are afraid to lose votes over it so they want to push it post election. Emer "Passport Express" Higgins sent out to stir the pot. FG have no honour.
The party also said they wanted nothing to do with FG before the last election. How did that work out? If Micheal Martin supports it, the party members will as well. It would be naive to think otherwise.
It was covid, the option was FG or SF.
Honestly I gave you my opinion which is based on talking to people in FF. Call that naive if you want to.
Since the last election the relationship between SF and FF at all levels has gone one direction. Down to the normal run of the day grassroots supporter of FF who gets attacked online if they admit anything about FF by the SF online supporters.
Best of luck telling them that after years of abuse they should approve FF going into government with SF
They won't, anyone I talked to in FF have said straight out that FF joining with SF will be the end of the party.
Maybe that is naive.
Exactly. They showed that what they say before an election is utterly meaningless.
THe last election finished just before a global pandemic. FG after the election said they would go into opposition etc
Then covid hit and a promise made before the election was out the window, FF/FG/Greens stood up to represent the people of Ireland in the middle of pandemic
No party in Ireland formed an alliance with SF. None.
I made my points, as I said I have talked to people in FF. It seems you have decided based on comments made 5 years ago about a totally different situation plus disregarding all comments from FF as a party since.
You are absolutely correct. Not a single party wants to go into coalition with Sinn Fein. Labour and the SDs are going to realise after the election that it is FF or FG or both if they want to govern. O'Gorman with his progressive left idea sees Labour and the SDs being close to the Greens, but like them, he wants nothing to do with Sinn Fein.
Even PBP, who begged SF to join with them post last election have turned their backs on them.
Knowing how to grift the system and forget to register property and business interests, while making crises worse is a skill we could use a break from.
Besides, we have many civil servants who know were the fuse box is.
