Who do you think is paying for it now, or where do you think the money is coming from?
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Agreed with this - I've had problems a few times at the Dunnes on the retail park in Dundalk with the machines both being out of order and ended up going to tesco instead, where it's inside and much more visible.
The retailers aren't purposely going to want this, as people will visit the shops where the machines are more likely to be kept in working order
You have the option to go to a different store in same area. There's a single RVM in my suburb village. If I go to local shopping centres, most of them just have 1 store with an RVM. For most people, you will only know it is out of order by by the time you get to it and too late to go elsewhere.
What was our level before this may i ask?
Through all the loads of stealth taxes and our highly progressive income tax rates id say😏 that money tree ya see there is the taxpayers.
You'll find a lot of detail here.
https://www.epa.ie/our-services/monitoring--assessment/waste/national-waste-statistics/packaging/
All non domestic water supply is subject to charges.
The main part of the UE budget comes from central funds which are of course supplied by taxes.
There is no comparison between Re-turn and UE.
They are completely different.
Yes, that's my point really as to why if there are multiple stores in the area, they'd want to ensure that the things are regularly checked - some visual clue on them as to how much more capacity is available also would be helpful, so you know if you're third in the queue with someone in front of you recycling for half of Louth that it'll probably be full and you might as well give up now!
I agree that the scheme doesn't really make sense in the way it has been implemented, my recycling bin was previously full of recycling, but now it's far emptier as a result of all the returns that are made. I know people are talking about doing away with their recycling collection service, or sharing bins between households, particularly given their contractors don't take glass so they need to drive these to the bottlebanks anyway; so there's all sorts of external consequences to the policy decision that don't seem to have been given adequate thought…
Me and some family members did a quick pit stop up North the other day as there were OK deals in Asda and Tesco (Clubcard), especially now that soft drinks are also on the shopping list. (24 pack for £8)
We can't even get the 24 packs of soft drinks here anymore, all seem to have suffered shrinkflation down to 18 packs when the DRS repackaging happened.
Just did the math and all in we saved almost €150 in deposits alone, never mind factoring in the actual lower cost of the product itself. We were passing anyway so no real extra fuel cost, but if there was, fuel would be more than covered by DRS savings.
We should also be able to put them in bottle banks like we have been doing with glass bottles for decades (seperate containers obviously).
Since this was introduced I've bought one plastic bottle that was returnable. Yes, 1, that's it.
No idea what I did with it now that I think of it (edit: disposed of it responsibly I'm sure). Would you see anyone retuning one bottle at the machine? Think I'd feel a bit silly for some reason.
You've missed the point.
Well done.
Some of the products also have the label on, and can be returned to get a deposit payment when you go back south…. I've got a load of own brand tonic bottles in the car from M&S in Newry to take in later…
Sure fire ahead, I am often only returning a few items, especially if I'm on foot.
I think little and often is best if you can fit it in with your routine.
A lot of posters complained of problems with large numbers of returns.
Also it saves having to apologise to people behind you if you are holding them up.
Never mind 90% at this rate we're on target to be the first country in the world to exceed 100% 🙂
No matter how good or poor the success of this. There going to say its going great.
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I'm sure "they" will because that's just the way of the world 🌎
Meanwhile, my post was just intended as a bit of light relief 🙂
The shops should take the emptys being returned when machines are broken
4 machines not working yesterday in Ballincollig
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/no-choice-but-to-increase-green-bin-prices-waste-firms-warn-charges-could-rise-as-bottle-return-scheme-hits-their-profits/a1040776236.html
Many on here warned of this coming, but we had some doubters. I find it amazing that so many fine posters have highlighted problems and issues before they developed and yet we have this high powered, highly paid ReTurn directors not being able to foresee this!
Rip off Ireland at it again
Surprise surprise 🙄
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/customers-warned-bin-charges-to-rise-as-bottle-return-scheme-hits-waste-firm-profits/a1040776236.html
Does this scheme take cans?
I hear rte radio news this morning say waste operators may have to increase charges as they are losing business to the DRS who have removed large numbers of 'bottles and cans' from the usual systems.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/customers-warned-bin-charges-to-rise-as-bottle-return-scheme-hits-waste-firm-profits/a1040776236.html
And of course, the Government washes its hands of the situation that they have created. From the article :
On the question of whether a price increase would be justified, the spokesperson said: “Household waste collection in Ireland is predominantly carried out by private companies operating in a competitive market under a local authority permitting system.“As such, the department has no role in relation to pricing decisions made by individual waste collectors.
On the question of whether a price increase would be justified, the spokesperson said: “Household waste collection in Ireland is predominantly carried out by private companies operating in a competitive market under a local authority permitting system.
“As such, the department has no role in relation to pricing decisions made by individual waste collectors.
TL;DR - you're on your own folks!
One interesting line though was this :
An industry source claimed there was an understanding with the Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications before the DRS began that the waste industry would be insulated against the predictable losses
Hmm.. Meaning what? Top up payments like they agreed with the operators of the M3 motorway tolls for example if revenue targets weren't met? Definitely would like to know if this claim is true and what "understanding" was suggested.
If so/true, who's paying for that? Oh oh course! The taxpayer!! Silly me!
So if that was the case then, you'd....
- Pay any price increase by the product manufacturer.
- Pay any losses for cans/bottles not accepted by the machine (if you bother trying in the first place).
- Pay increased bin charges because the poor private operators need that cash and if they don't get it one way they'll get it another.
- Pay whatever "insulation" sum might have been agreed as general taxation or see less taxes directed to something else.
Great scam this altogether! Goodies for everyone involved except the mugs at the end of the process hauling bags of rubbish around the place!
If people are going to be charged higher green bin charges, it could potentially lead to people just throwing their cans into the green bin anyway. Which wouldn't be great for the scheme.
Puts the lie to the utterly disingenuous posts on this thread trying to deny this would impact refuse companies.
my charges already went up in January (lift and standing charge). so I guess they'll be going up again. might have to start burning .
Be great for the scheme! All those unclaimed "deposits"sitting in an account somewhere earning interest for the operators.
