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Neutral ground for all your election talk. However some ground rules. This is not a thread for you to say the sort of things that may have got you banned from one or other existing thread covering the 2 candidates. It is not a thread for "Sleepy Joe", "Dementia Donald" or the like. It's not a thread for posters to accuse other posters of "supporting a rapist". It is not a thread to discuss Trump's legal cases - that can be done in the Trump thread. Basic civility is expected.

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sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314734#Comment_122314734

The withdrawal was a complete mess because of the decisions of US government at the time, not the one before. Have some respect for yourself.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314734#Comment_122314734

The Taliban walked through Afghanistan because the American backed govt only had nominal control of Kabul.

If the Afghani people wanted to they could have torn the Taliban apart, they didn't, the popularity of the Taliban should not be down played and much if the opposition to the Taliban were near enough to their thinking as to be the same.

The withdrawal was a mess and by the nature of messes the people on the ground and the man at the top are held to account.

tobefrank321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314685#Comment_122314685

Once Trump committed to leave Afghanistan which he clearly did, the die was cast. The deal was his, signed by him and a monumentally stupid one at that.

It was then a case of managing a stupid decision and it was always going to end up how it did.

Trump abandoned the Afghan people to their fate.

But Biden should not have gone ahead with the deal, as it was obvious the Afghan army was a phantom army not prepared to fight. Mass panic and hastily organised evacuations were inevitable once the US decided to cut and run. Similar to Saigon 1975.

Neither Trump or Biden can take any credit and it was the ultimate hospital pass from Trump to Biden.

Quango Unchained

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314618#Comment_122314618

Scaramucci also said that knowing Trump, he would go out of his way not to have a "box-checking" VP. His reasoning being that everything always has to be about him and if he's to win, it is because of him and nobody else.

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314645#Comment_122314645

If you believe how Afghanistan happened was Trump's fault, you've been fed lies. The generals involved blame Biden.

https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-kabul-milley-taliban-biden-620fd2ca8187389da38ddcf3f9466fbd

The top two U.S. generals who oversaw the evacuation of Afghanistan as it fell to the Taliban in August 2021 blamed the Biden administration for the chaotic departure, telling lawmakers Tuesday that it inadequately planned for the evacuation and did not order it in time.

It's such an obvious and blatant case of blaming the guy before. Trump is not the reason people were falling off the sides of airplanes.

tobefrank321

There is no evidence Trump can bring the Ukraine-Russia war to a close, other than by Ukraine or Russia making huge concessions which neither will do.

Trump asking Ukraine to give up even more of its territory will not in the long run appease Putin, who will in future continue to bite off more and more of Ukraine, as Hitler did in Czechoslovakia in the 1930s.

Pulling funding from Ukraine would be a monumental mistake in the long run for the US.

BrianD3

Given his medical history (cerebral aneurysm etc.) and age Biden is high risk for dementia, probably vascular or mixed type. He's been showing signs of this for years, you don't have to be a medical professional to see it. Clear as day. He fluctuates but as he progresses, episodes and lapses get more frequent and can't be put down to fatigue etc. Now it has come to a head at the worst possible time (or best if the Democrats want to get rid of him) That debate wasn't a car crash, it was a train crash and it'll be replayed for decades.

It is horrible to see someone going through that in the public eye. But what's absurd is the way that people on here were shouted down for pointing out that the sky is blue

Compare how he is now to how he was as VP or especially as a senator in 1986 below. Hard to believe that this is the same person. Trump is a different kettle of fish, an arsehole and spoofer, always was but now far more robust and energetic than Biden. Trump looks like a heart attack waiting to happen and Biden may even outlive him but Trump also looks more like 30 years younger, not 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_v00iGJCLY

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314154#Comment_122314154

No chance. The Obamas have no interest. She has made sure that there isn't even a "team" behind her. If Biden steps aside he will have to back Kamala Harris, but it is likely Newsome would win a run-off

tobefrank321

The American people deserve nothing less than these two candidates. They've had ample opportunities over the last 5 years in primaries and elsewhere to select decent candidates yet gave both endorsements. So they need to take it on the chin.

Trump is a complete fool. He's saying Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine. Trump was one of the first to say it was a smart move. That doesn't sound like strong opposition to the invasion.

The Afghan fiasco was caused by Trumps deal with the Taliban. Biden should have tore up that deal. But both are equally to blame.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314618#Comment_122314618

She's known over here in the US as "Simon's even more useless cousin"

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314597#Comment_122314597

She must be highly capable given her past career but at campaigning and politics Kamala is a very poor performer.

She certainly is VP for box ticking reasons. The VP usually is. More so in Harris's case, it was to appeal to the rich white progressive activist base as her support among black males in thr primary was woeful.

Not much point in being a brilliant candidate if your campaigning and public speaking ability is so low

Quango Unchained

One major benefit of the parliamentary system is that if a leader's position becomes untenable, they're quickly ousted.

I don't follow US politics too closely. Does Kamala Harris deserve the amount of flak that's directed at her? Anthony Scaramucci on the "Rest is Politics" podcast said her unpopularity is mainly down to the perception that she was selected to check boxes rather than on merit, which is unfair on her and she's a lot better off camera than on.

Not inconceivable that both Biden and Trump will fail to make it to polling day.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314486#Comment_122314486

OK, so let’s say it’s Biden / Trump- do you reckon they’ll wheel Harris out big time or keep her quiet?

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314463#Comment_122314463

….. 😀

castletownman

Biden is only a year younger than the combined age of our last two Taoiseach.

It's crazy to think that in a climate where world leaders are getting younger (open to debate if its a good thing) that the superpower seem to adhere to the 'male, pale and stale' stereotype.

Can't believe Biden is a US president though in his current state. Have seen ould lads like that throughout my life on their final lap.

Markus Antonius

This is really the trump Vs Kamala Harris election. Harris's last chance to become president on a technicality.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314448#Comment_122314448

Have a press conference organised for that later.

boards.ie is where I connect with the real people. And also get all the ladies sending me nude PMs

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314384#Comment_122314384

Don’t you have a judge to disparage or something 🤪

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314128#Comment_122314128

Old farts the pair of them.

Hilarious seeing the left and right backing "their man".

Donald Trump

Yis can't say I didn't tell yis all this years ago.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122313878#Comment_122313878

If it's Newsom, expect it to be a party in the Republican party only slightly less than if it's Harris. Someone above suggested Whitmer, there is sense behind that as a Democrat leader in a swing state. See also Beshear, Kelly and Hobbs. The most electable democrats nationally don't seem to be getting much mass media attention: Obviously Democrats want to lean towards 'standard bearers', and Newsom's about the top of the list.

Realistically, though, I think they'll stay with Biden.

Brussels Sprout

A few tweets:

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314287#Comment_122314287

either way it’s job done- a sexually harassed intern from 20 years ago, a lover spurned, a secret money deal - if a public representative has enemies looking to get even, it may not even take a paid team to find them - they might just walk up to a TV studio and start talking, having negotiated their rate via their lawyer in advance

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314245#Comment_122314245

The tabloids don't uncover much.

The team of professionals that the other side hire ,do.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314144#Comment_122314144

Dirt! Thats the biggest fear I’d say of picking a new candidate at short notice - you don’t know what the tabloids will uncover

AbusesToilets

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314144#Comment_122314144

I think it would be an incredible opportunity. Economy doing great (for wall st). A absolute loon for an opponent, tied up in court cases. They could ride high on Biden's successes without being tied to his failures.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314144#Comment_122314144

Michelle Obamas name in some news reports on TV when presenters are talking with the reporters - I’d be very surprised though if that came to be.

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314067#Comment_122314067

Would they be able to get a candidate who is willing to step into this mess?

It might be a bit of a poisoned chalice now.

Potential candidates might be looking at 2028 as a better prospect.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314067#Comment_122314067

Yeah with you on that - I guess the one person who could persuade Biden not to run again and just see out this term, is his wife. She’ll be critical but by some accounts at least, she seems to relish the First Lady status so she’ll have to get over losing that first, before she can bring her mind around to persuading Joe not to run again.

As for agism, again I agree - this has nothing to do with age but as we’ve seen with pretty much all past US presidents, the office ages you quite considerably - it is certainly a “young persons” game - you need to be mentally tough but also physically tough to endure the rigours of this office and for the American people to have a strong leader whether it’s Republican or Democrat - I know a 90 year old who I’d place well ahead of Biden in terms of both mental and physical agility- but I wouldn’t recommend him for office either. I don’t like Trump but he certainly presents fitter but his ramblings do give cause for concern -but again, I think there a better stronger and more capable leaders out there who have the right energy - and yes younger too. Leaders throughout the western world are a lot younger these days - a country leader role today demands a lot more of the person than it did 30 years ago

sock.rocker*

I just read that Bill Clinton won in 1992 and he's younger than Biden and Trump.