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I didn't even bother going back over the previous but I expected as much.
Also the lack of people able to identify an alternative in government or a better in the opposition parties says a lot.
Just the latest whinging session on this thread, really it's hilarious now
But is it okay if we discuss it and some people say they don't like particular choices and why?
We know how it works. We're discussing it, not crying "coup!".
Michael McGrath - Degree in Commerce from UCC, chartered accountant - far more qualified professionally than Chambers, and with previous ministerial experience
Paschal Donohoe - 1.1 degree from Trinity in Economics - far more qualified professionally than Chambers, and with previous ministerial experience
Michael Noonan - degree in economics from UCD, far more qualified professionally than Chambers, and with previous ministerial experience as a cabinet level minister in four other roles
Thats the most recent three ministers from your list, I can't be bothered to go any further down correcting you.
And I didn't even mean just in Ireland, have a look around the EU at Ministers for Finance - in Germany Christian Lindner (MA specialising in tax competition), in Italy Giancarlo Giorgetti (Economics degree, years of work as a financial auditor), in Spain María Jesús Montero (Masters degree in Business, years of senior management experience). etc.
Chambers is by any fact based assessment dramatically underqualified compared to both his predecessors in the Irish Minister for Finance role, and his peergroup in 2024 in European Ministers for Finance in all of academics, life experience, and ministerial experience.
"Give an opinion based on facts, not on myths" —The facts speak for themselves, Chambers lack of experience (both comparative and by itself) is clear for all to see, its not my opinion - its fact.
Someone with his CV would get absolutely nowhere near a position with that much responsibility in the private sector. And rightly so, because hes blatently unqualified for it. We should expect no lower standards in the public sector than in the private sector.
Are you seriously trying to argue that a 33 year old with no ministerial experience, no academic background in finance or economics, and no professional experience at a senior management level is the best candidate to be Minister for Finance in Ireland with a budget to manage of in excess of €100bn?
Would you personally hire a 33 year old CFO for your company who has no financial or economics degrees, or experience in similar roles?
McGrath does not care about the money
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/06/26/michael-mcgrath-not-motivated-by-money-in-decision-to-become-irish-eu-commissioner/
Firstly, I never said he was the best candidate.
Secondly, he is as qualified as most of his listed predecessors back to the 1970s
Thirdly, outside of others on the government benches, I can't see anyone on the opposition bench better qualified.
He therefore ticks the boxes better than most.
He suits Martin's strategy I imagine. It's hardly for the good of the country.
He's likely setting Chambers up to replace him. If Fine Gael can have an under qualified person, why not? But to be fair to Chambers he hasn't yet failed as miserably as Harris in every position he's held.
It's about geography too. A senior ministerial position in Dublin helps get votes in November. Big Jim will be delighted 🙂
I agree with you but you are wasting your time, there is too big a percentage of our population who simply don't want to find fault in our government, this week, we witnessed the Dail gave a standing ovation to yet another victim of a brutal assault on our streets, it is the people in that Dail, the well paid, well rewarded TDs who have failed not just that victim, but the thousands of victims across this country….they might as well have given her a pat on the bum and told her she was a good girl.
The same day as we promoted a 33 year old to one of the most powerful positions in the State despite an obvious lack of experience.
We can only draw the following conclusion.
We are not a serious country.
So you are talking about a vicious attack by a person on another person, somehow trying to say the amount TD's are paid are the reason for that happening?
Then complaining because a highly educated person who is 10 years now in politics doesn't have the experience you think they should to get a Minister role
We are a serious country, that's not a serious post.
Maybe have a bit of respect for the poor lady in this instance and not use her as some half assed post to complain about the government. What happened to her was a disgrace, anyone getting attacked like that is a disgrace and we need to try and reduce this. Pointing at the Dail is going to do what exactly?
Maybe we should look at the drink culture in Ireland and see if trying to reduce this more might reduce the number of attacks?
ANyway a full thread to discuss it available, so will leave it to that
Using a victim to make an incoherent incorrect argument.
Basic understanding of politics is to understand the separation of powers, and the role of the judiciary and that the Oireachtas should not corral the judiciary too much because of individual rights.
https://www.iprt.ie/site/assets/files/6329/iprt_position_paper_3_-_mandatory_sentencing_updated.pdf
Have a read of this expert report to see the problems.
Anything in that paper about proper policing of our streets when there's thousands of young people drunk and coked up bouncing off each other? Or about the availability of prison space?
So who do we elect to take responsibility of the mess we are in and have been in for some time? The Judges?
You've some cheek accusing anyone of making an incoherent argument, and posting a report from a no doubt well paid NGO.
Doubling down in the way that you are doing only reinforces my opinion that it is an incoherent argument.
The soldier was prosecuted under the law, the executive arm of the state (overseen by the government) did its job. The judiciary (independent of government) were the ones who handed down the sentence that you are complaining about.
The independence of the judiciary is one of the fundamental building blocks of democracy.
Pity it's not protected from cronyism.
They say they won't co-operate on the running of the Dáil until the government agrees to bring in Justice Minister, local TD Helen McEntee to explain the appointment of Supreme Court judge Seamus Woulfe.Meanwhile, Minister McEntee is expected to come under further scrutiny over a Circuit Court judge appointed on the same day as Séamus Woulfe, who once worked in former Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan's solicitors firm.
They say they won't co-operate on the running of the Dáil until the government agrees to bring in Justice Minister, local TD Helen McEntee to explain the appointment of Supreme Court judge Seamus Woulfe.
Meanwhile, Minister McEntee is expected to come under further scrutiny over a Circuit Court judge appointed on the same day as Séamus Woulfe, who once worked in former Justice Minister Charlie Flanagan's solicitors firm.
https://www.lmfm.ie/news/lmfm-news/mcentee-expected-to-come-under-more-pressure-over-appointment-of-circuit-court-judge/
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/justice-minister-helen-mcentee-must-face-dail-questions-over-woulfe-appointment-says-labour-leader-alan-kelly/39752562.html
Ah you are one of those people who think there is nothing wrong with a fella getting off with a slap on the wrist for punching the head off and nearly killing an innocent person on the street….gotcha you!!
Calling someone who disagrees with that as having an incoherent argument would make sense then…you seem really smart!
That some assumption to make and not sure how you made it based on what the person posted. We have a thread already on this forum about the event, I don't see anyone saying the judgement was correct.
The argument was incoherent, it was a ramble against TD's and their pay and a person getting horribly attacked. Next post you are going on about "NGOs'"
Sorry but it just seems you got a load of buzz words from the web, fired them into a post and used the poor lady attack for no reason apart from it is in the news now.
As I posted the problems with alcohol in Ireland has been going on too long, how we fix I dont know.
So who do you think is to blame for the unsafe streets, the lack of prison spaces and our persistently soft judicial system?
Are the streets unsafe? I travel all over Ireland, I go out in those towns. I am in Dublin city centre 2-3 times at least a week and socialise in Dublin city centre yet I have never had any issues.
So how are they unsafe?
The only issue I ever had when out was in Sydney which I would say if far more unsafe, but SA in spots, not all of it is the place I would say in come cities the streets are unsafe.
The over the top reaction to every incident as if Ireland is unsafe is just noise. Not based on reality
Ah, the old sweep the problems under the carpet mentality that is synonymous with us.
We probably don't need any new prison spaces either right?
And slapping the head off a woman putting her life at risk is only a slap on the wrist offence anyway so all is good in the world (by the way, this incident is very common across the state not just in Dublin, but Dublin is a mess, there is a reason why the American embassy has issued warnings to its citizens travelling here).
And sure, what difference does it make who our Minister of Finance is as long as he/she is a nice fella/woman. I mean look at our Minister for Justice, who could say she isn't working out well in her portfolio???
And even if you believe out streets are safe and well policed, who is responsible for the lack of available prison spaces and our soft sentencing culture?
Who is sweeping it under the carpet, you declared the street are not safe, they are
Do we have anti-social issues, yes
If you check my posting history I think we need a whole new jail so yes we need more spaces.
Not sure who you are trying to impress by going on about that poor ladies attack and you seem to be descending down a path I have no interest in. We have a full thread to discuss that topic as already pointed out.
See how far you get talking about "slapping the head off a woman", I doubt she is looking for that type of support either
Ok, lets break this down then.
Who is responsible for building that new prison we need?
Indeed, Martin probably knows that older FF types would do a coalition deal with SF, whereas Union Jack will want to stay with FG.
The government
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/a792e-irish-prison-service-to-be-established-as-a-statutory-state-body/#:~:text=The%20Minister%20said%3A,the%20Midlands%20and%20Mountjoy%20prisons.
Right then.
Who is responsible for the lenient sentencing that sees serious offences and repeat offenders frequently escape prison time? (If you say Judges, then can you clarify who appoints the judges)
If they are Fine Gael associated, Helen.
That would be the judges
The President does
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Looking more likely with each poll that FF & FG will have the numbers to put another government together, very probably with Soc Dems and failing that almost certainly with some combo of Soc Dems, Labour & greens…
It's also opens the door for FF/SF/SDs. If SDs had the required seats the smart thing for then to do would be to refuse to go into coalition with FG and put the ball in FF court.
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Thanks for the comic relief.
The next government coalition will be FF/FG+another.
None of FF/FG will want to get into bed with far-left Marxists like the Social Dems or Sinn Fein unless there is no other option.
Well you realise the "no other option" is a typical political statement that opens doors.
SF I'm not so sure are as left as some people think and it's showing up now in the polls.
SDs, who knows what they are? Talk is cheap for all parties, if talk could solve our problems we'd be on easy street.
Independents, at best local mouthpieces that would sell their soul for a few million in their own constituency that might guarantee their next vote at the next election. Merely supporting their larger partners policies with tweaks.
They are all for sale and anything is possible.
