We still don't have a figure for any loss suffered by the bin companies.
I meant happy with the status quo on sup use which as you pointed out has not substantially changed since DRS.
I just spoke for myself others may be working it out their own way.
I can't see cans going back to zero but increasing the deposit on plastic is an interesting idea.
We still don't have a figure for the percentage of items collected versus sold either but we are told that will come.
We never got the pre-DRS figures for actual collection and recycling rate for PET plastic bottles specifically, did we?
The entire justification for the scheme.
True, but nobody is basing a price increase on the percentage of items collected versus sold.
Having said that it would be good to get those figures too.
And we still don't have it, despite it, as you say, being the entire justification for the scheme.
We don't even have an estimate, a trend or any effort to put some number on it, just some marketing BS and an attempt to muddy the waters.
Logic would dictate that the money lost from losing the cans and PET in recycle bins needs to be made up somewhere.
It ain't rocket science.
If you don't believe prices will rise due to their loss of product, why not try believing charges will come down as they are now collecting less!!! Yeah Right!!!!!!!!
We should never have privatised our bins. Another cowboy profit making enterprise.
I got an email notifying me of a €2.99 increase on the 3rd February which I figured was pretty convenient timing. I used to try pay by lift/weight and really tried to reduce waste but the yearly administration fee was wiping out any benefit, so I switch to a monthly fee 4 or 5 years ago - and it has gone up around a €10 in that time ~ 35%.
It's also highlighted in the document that recommended this scheme.
It has been linked to and confirmed numerous times on this thread.
I was speaking to a Dane earlier and in Denmark they have had this scheme since the 70s. For home shopping delivery companies do actually collect empty containers during the next delivery and then you get the refund. So this is obviously not an impossible solution. Also he said the machines are hardly ever out of order over there. Glass is also included in their scheme. Why can't this model be implemented in this great country?
Lidl again. They are a bunch of..…
This happened to me too.
That's interesting.
How do they manage the collection of empties?
We discussed this before and the main obstacle was putting used containers in the van with other people's groceries.
On the glass, apparently our recycling rate for glass is high so there is no need to include it.
You need to get a real life. Sad
And you esmerelda . Doing returns dirty work! Get a life
But we copied another countries system don't you know?
I've no idea to be honest, we didn't delve into that deep a discussion about it. The Deposit scheme came up in conversation and he mentioned they don't really have an issue with it in Denmark. I made the point I don't drive and get my shopping delivered and am expected to walk over 10 minutes with a sack of empties hoping the machines will work fine. He said all the home delivery companies will take the empties the next delivery and then you are paid back over there.
He also said in Denmark the machines are in the supermarkets, never break down and no need for queueing most of the time. It seems like a proper solution unlike the nonsense we have gone with. Another person at the table mentioned that they used it only once and they got so far then the machine crashed midway and they got no money returned. They haven't bothered with the scheme since. A nice scam if this is happening frequently and people have just give up on it. Nice little earner for some though!
Thanks anyway.
If you meet him again maybe you could ask him.
As you say some workable solution for home delivery customers is needed.
Any minute now you'll be told by certain posters Re-Turn is "work in progress" (it isn't) until 2029, the changes are imminent (they aren't) and dont be complicating the return process with your improvement ideas. 🙄. Oh and you're a liar.
Basically because Ireland.
Why?
Possibly not for some time but I will. He was also telling us Carlsberg were responsible for the scheme there for years and had a sort of monopoly. So only Carlsberg branded items could be returned. The EU then forced them to change so other brands like Heineken would also be accepted. Sounded a bit strange but apparently back in the day in Denmark you only really had two beer options, Tuborg or Carlsberg anyway. Anyways this is going very much off topic so I'll leave it there..
Half tongue in cheek here but if it is deemed not acceptable for a van delivering groceries should not collect recyclables then why have I had to, on more than one occasion put my recyclables in the boot with my groceries because the RVM was MIA!
The main obstacle is that retailers don't want to do it. Retailers won't do it if they don't have to.
We had to legislate for retailers to accept returns on site. Why not legislate to make them have to accept returns from home delivery customers and leave it up to retailers to figure out how they do it?
It's only going to increase in price and the service won't improve.
Meanwhile your waste management company probably offshores their taxes to the Isle of Man or somewhere like that.
Kerching.
US but shows the green credentials of these companies
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jun/26/plastics-companies-blocking-mitigation-efforts
I really don't get all the fuss over this, a few minutes extra a week meaning stuff gets sorted better and is more likely to be recycled. I took an enormous bag of cans home from a festival yesterday and made 15 euros, it accepted all of them, probably took less than 5 minutes.
I mean there's no way we can try and have a cleaner country without a tiny bit of inconvenience. If you see what some people put into their green bins and the recycle bins at work you'd know why these schemes are required.
Oh great. Another "I'm alright jack".
So you brought 100 cans home from a festival? And the machine was working? It didn't crash when you inserted the 98th can leaving you with 30 cent to collect? Aren't you lucky?
No I'm not lucky, I've rarely had any issues. I'm alright Jack? It's returning a few cans ffs.
