Apologies, the first time the word "can" was used should have been "bottle"
I have made this correction to my original post, thanks for pointing it out
I don't get this. They are going from bottle to can, after DRS? I had thought maybe some can only beers might move to bottles to avoid DRS - but moving to can from bottle doesn't make sense.
You cannot bring items back to any point of sale due to exemptions etc. You can only bring items back to certain points of sale.
b) non-redeemable or unreadable/damaged items should still have the option of being accepted but without deposit return.
This is a key and frankly obvious issue with the current system.
I have experience with DRS from other countries and what it does is weigh and scan the dimensions of the container. If it is not recognised, it gives you the option to return the container to you, or accept the container into the machine but not give the deposit.
My last time using the RVM nearest me, 5 out of 6 cans were not recognized. All from the same pack so no reason for them not to be recognised, but there I am with a bag with 5 cans. Where did I end up putting them? In the general waste bin beside the shop.
We've been sinking the price increase (tariff, tax, deposit - I'll leave others argue the finer points of that one) and still mostly use the green bin. We keep the cans and bottles separate and if they're there on green bin day they go in, otherwise they may or may not be brought down to our nearest shop when convenient.
But what I just discovered (and in fairness it is printed on the voucher) is that vouchers can only be redeemed in the shop where the bottles are deposited. Obviously this was a carrot for the shops to take in the machines, but lads this is just crazy, it's really tail wagging the dog stuff.
If the scheme was really about recycling IMO:
a) it shouldn't matter where the bottles are deposited because potentially you should have machines in places that are not attached to retail, e.g. train stations etc.
I'd sort of hope that the scheme will be improved to address such issues as time goes on - I'd be gladly surprised but won't be holding my breath.
Saw some 500ml cans bottles of lidl "crafty brewing co" branded purple label beer for the first time last week. Hopefully a sign of things to come for some of our countries microbrewers.
Trying to sell a 440ml can, or sometimes a 330ml, for the same price as a 500ml glass bottle of beer was pure greed and I'm glad to see it slowly dying thanks to the DRS
I can't bring back my cans and bottles without incurring a cost to myself (a bus ticket or a taxi), so instead I put them in my green bin.
To me, it is a price increase. Factually it is a price increase because I am paying more now than I was before.
It's a deposit if it's a deposit.
If I want my gas canister deposit back, I have to lug it to the shop, I don't say that gas prices have increased as I would be factually and unequivocally wrong and people would rightly laugh at me for saying so.
Bringing a deposited item back to the point of sale is by far one of the easiest ways to retrieve a deposit (and it's not just the point of sale, it's any point of sale).
You can argue if it's fair, if the scheme is being run well, but arguing it's a price increase is factually incorrect.
Its a deposit if you get the deposit back. If you can not easily get the deposit back, then it is a price increase.
Are people really arguing that a refundable deposit is somehow a price increase?
It's a deposit, the clue is in its name.
You know when someone has lost the arguement :)
I dont think you get his point. Before if ya decided to keep aluminium can. Melt it down for a project or carve it into ornaments or some such crap. Then it was yours to do what you want. Were not even talking extra return charge here. So technically you owned the aluminium. You the consumer is paying for the scheme i presume hence return charge.
so whats paying for it when it reaches goal of 90% returned? The recycled material?
Same here.No logo but cans accepted.
IBAL says Re-turn is having a positive effect on litter levels.
Of course it's early days but encouraging just the same.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41421901.html
You know what, it's a lovely day out.
Why not take a stroll down to your local RVM and get the 75 cent ?
Then for the day that's in it maybe put that cold hard cash towards a lovely cold ice cream 🍦 🙂
It is only 10 euro if you return the containers. Previously, it was 10 euro if you kept the containers.
Therefore, the total price has increased.
For the price to remain unchanged, the deposit value would need to be built into the original price. So if the cans cost 10 euro before the scheme, the deposit scheme would mean a purchase price of 10 euro, with a 75 cent deposit refund, if you return the cans.
Therefore the content only cost you 9.25.
If you decide to keep the containers, you pay 10 euro. Just as you did previously.
As another poster pointed out, the additional charge obviously goes towards managing the DRS machines.
I dont have any issue with the scheme, i think its a great idea, but the price should have been retained in order to help get people on board I would say.
I had a trolley full of plastic bottles to ReTurn yesterday, about a quarter I had to inflate by blowing into them before they were accepted. As I said upthread previously,if they are not accepted do try blowing into them to un-crease barcode to make it readable.
Edit - in no way am I endorsing scheme, just want all to get your own money back, and it is YOUR money.
As explained previously the price does remain at €10.
The refundable deposit is sitting in your house in the form of 5 cans which you can return at your leisure to collect 75 cent.
Except that in the case of DRS your receipt can be exchanged for cash in the shop a few meters away from where you are.
Which is just more delays and hassle for the end user - as intended.
As I've said before, in that sense it's just like how Dublin Bus operated their change tickets. Get a paper receipt and travel in to HQ on O'Connell Street to redeem it (rather than at any ticket agent/shop). No wonder they always had a fortune in unclaimed receipts which I'd imagine was sitting in an account somewhere earning them interest as well.
No doubt the unclaimed cash is equally adding a few quid on top of it for the operators of this nonsense too.
Also to be fair, you don't know if the club finished up with sacks of worthless containers. You based that assumption on three purchases. Lots of people could have taken in drinks from outside shops. Like fast food outlets, vendors at those sorts of events would generally charge more than supermarkets. It would make sense to buy them cheaper elsewhere.
"We bought three items from two seperate food vans (of five there) and all of them were from the UK, no return logo. Which i guess means no return. No deposit.
I imagine those volunteers will be rather disappointed to find that instead of funding for a new pitch, they instead have to find a way to get rid of multiple bags of financially worthless recyclables."
To be fair to the organisers and indeed everyone involved in this escapade, in the whole scheme of paperwork and legalities around running an event of this size and nature I'd say the nordies selling drinks that weren't within the scope of the DRS would be well down the myriad of things to comply with.
If the price remained 10 euros in total, yes.
As the price rose to 10.75, you are being charged extra.
It's worth a try.
The organisers of the event who took pitch fees from the stallholders should know better too.
Plus the practice which does still occur in small shops, sometimes asian supermarkets of buying a can with the deposit only to find out no logo, barcode not registered.
This will continue for years.
Obviously if you hold onto the cans you won't get the 15 cent back.
However they won't lose value and you will always have the option of reclaiming the deposit back at a future date.
In the meantime the beer has cost you the same as before and you have the deposit to collect whenever convenient for you.
Another proof of the price being for the item separate from the deposit, is the way the retailers detail the price per litre. They do not build the deposit into the price per litre listing. It is shown as a separate item. You still get the drink at the price per litre stated.
https://www.tesco.ie/groceries/en-IE/search?query=lucozade
And there was an effective price increase in what I noticed was the disappearance of certain cheaper imported products which have not returned.
Browsing the Dr Pepper and Irn Bru bottles today, I noticed, they are all around the 2.45 mark now. I can get a bottle of beer for the same price.
The thing that I think a lot of people are annoyed about, is that this was brought in during a time of global inflation.
Anyone who thinks producers would not add a few cents to the price of each can or bottle to cover the label changes, registering barcodes, paperwork etc is a fool.
I will leave it at that.
Thanks, you were doing my head in. 😚
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