If you cant get your deposit back then it is a price increase.
You'll get the deposit back. Much as I dislike the scheme, it is a Deposit and not another price increase.
Yeah, possible we didnt notice it. Will check next time.
It still means the price has increased though. 10 euro used to purchase the container and the beer. Now 10 euro only pays for the beer.
Every store I've been in shows Cans €10 and, in smaller print, Deposit 60cent. Shops are obliged to display this. If your store doesn't then perhaps point it out to them. Or perhaps you just didn't notice it.
That's clearer. We were talking about it at work and a few of us, including me, had not noticed the extra deposit charge on the ticket price.
We agreed that it felt like a "sneaky" charge, as it wasn't overtly displayed. Could just be the stores we were in.
Thinking that myself. If they do ya know its all horseshite
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Anywhere I've been has "+##c" deposit on the shelf label as well as the price.
I mean the price you pay for the beer is greater than the price displayed on the shelf, as per my above post.
It isnt clear that there will be an additional charge on top of the ticketed price.
I hadnt noticed a seperate price for the deposit scheme. Is that supposed to be displayed?
The price marked for the beer did not include the deposit scheme price.
Say the 4 pack is 10 euro. The price ticket says 10 euro. You pay for the beer at the till and its actually 10.60, with the 60 cent then flagged as recycle deposit.
If this is the norm, why not just put the ticket price as 10.60, as that is what you are being charged.
I'm not sure that annoys people at all, because it's not at all clear what you mean.
The price of the beer is clearly marked on the shelf and may go up or down.
The deposit is separately marked on the shelf and remains the same no matter what is charged for the beer.
Who would want you to think twice about buying the product?
Lidl are at it as well.
I brought the empties of a four pack of Galereux as part of my stash to Aldi yesterday. Everything accepted except the Galereux.
I though it was the machine at fault at first as it had broken down twice while I was in the queue and staff had to be called both times, but when I checked the cans they weren't in scope. I had only bought them on Sunday and paid the deposit.
At least Aldi have a separate hole for rejects but I was still down 60c.
The thing here that annoys people is that you are not really paying for the deposit value of your beer can. The price of the 4 pack of beer has increased.
If you were paying the deposit value only, the price of the 4 pack would remain unchanged.
I assume this is by design, to make people think twice about buying the product in the first place.
money is better when you have to work really hard to get it. We should really be thanking Return for this!
I still got my money back. 😂
For sure. Appearances are everything. You can be sure our deposits will be hard at work funding this kind of crap from now on.
Having thought about the use of this term (recyclate) and the article referenced earlier with the percentages - it does look to me, like the start of a cynical attempt to confuse people with the details and specifics.
Which - me being stupid this morning - it seems to have done. How many more people will read those figures as being the return rates especially if they keep using those as time goes on and don't actually use the return percentages until (if ever) they increase?
It's a standard marketing tactic I believe.
Why can't manufacturers make the 3 litre bottles just a slightly bit larger. 3.5 litres? Plus sell coke in the 5 litre containers as some water is sold. Will go flat quick though.
If you are referring to cans collected outside the DRS scheme I'm not certain but I expect they won't be included in Re-turn statistics.
They do have a scrap value so they will probably continue to be collected as long as it is commercially viable to do so.
I think I was quite clear in both posts. See above.
I don't think you intended it, but it wasn't totally clear from your post it was a speculative future scenario under discussion.
Also, the other issue as posters have questioned is, where do these (properly recycled) cans show up in our Re-turn stats. Returned eg to civic amenity site. What's their fate, tracking.
Why wouldn't separated uncontaminated containers result in 98% quality recyclate ?
No because I expect they'll be counted so the charity/club can be paid correctly.
I never suggested differently.
I think it's worth my while to hold onto them because some good cause might gain something.
If it turns out I'm wrong, no problem, I'll take them to the civic amenity site.
What's wrong with that.
Germany tried to force manufacturers to make refillable containers. That failed to reach a high enough level, so they went for DRS on single use. Not ideal, but at least the DRS has made Germans return over 95% of bottles. And when they are separated like this, they can be recycled better. I can't see any company designing a refillable solution just for the Irish market.
In the early 1990s, the idea of a deposit return system for single-use containers in Germany was introduced when an ordinance on packaging was passed, setting a quota that at least 72% of all beverages (measured in liters) should be packaged in refillable containers. If this quota was not met, a mandatory deposit would apply for single-use beverage containers. In a few years, the market share of refillable containers fell below this quota, and so a DRS for single-use containers was established in January 2003.
(14 March 2023): In Germany, 2 million single-use plastic bottles are consumed every hour. That's 17.4 billion plastic bottles a year. On average, each German consumes almost 210 single-use plastic bottles per year.
This is all speculative, there is no process as yet in place to do what you say.
And the point is that crushed cans are rejected by the current RVMs machines.
So you're holding onto cans for a future scenario, they cannot be claimed at present.
Exactly. I am quite partial to Dr Pepper, but it only comes in 500ml bottles in Ireland. If I want Dr Pepper, I have no choice but to buy it in a plastic single use bottle. I am aware I can order it in bulk from the UK in can or glass bottle, but from a reducing carbon point of view that is pointless.
As Ive mentioned on the thread before, sodastream really should have been looked at and incentivized.
If they end up being collected by bulk-would that skewer the collection rate?
Not if they are doing the collection themselves and using an RVM to collect the deposit.
On the other hand if the collection is by Re-turn bin at an event the condition of the can may not matter.
Similarly if say a local club gets a bulk collection by the Re-turn truck I don't think those cans will have to go through an RVM.
So I'm not as sure as you are and I'll hold onto them for the time being.
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