Yeah, but I'm not the one claiming anything special about it. You're the one over-talking the Castres game up.
This is how this discussion has gone :
I said: Crowley had very little material difference in terms of experience when he was given the start against Australia
Crowley had very little material difference in terms of experience when he was given the start against Australia
You said you disagreed with that, but provided zero colour or analysis to support that.
I provided you with the statistics to show there is negligible difference in their starts, minutes, European appearances etc at the points we were discussing, and your response was some unintelligible thing about dominant packs, and then a made up piece about him winning away against the Top14 champions.
When those stats didn't serve your argument, you now claim the real difference maker was 33 mins off the bench for Ireland A, or the EI tour games. If that is really the sole extent of what you're basing your argument on then grand, but to me it's more than a bit of a reach.
Once again here - I'm not trying to do down Jack Crowley or claim he didn't deserve the opportunity he got when he got it, I'm just asking for a modicum of consistency in how we approach things.
Sure if you dismiss anything iv suggested then your likely to come to the conclusion that you where correct
You're not providing anything to support your opinion, just your own views, which I do think are less relevant than the facts I provided.
SA have insane depth, its a much bigger rugby population.
Sure 3 more games played, more senior mins, an emerging ireland tour and an ireland a game arent facts. Lesson learned
I really enjoy reading your posts; well thought out and backed up with facts. You’ve also got the patience of a saint. Great poster.
If you're going to claim things as facts then please, at least, get them correct.
Before getting capped for Ireland, against Fiji, this was how many games Crowley had played for Munster:
16 total games, 7 starts (incl 1 at 15), and 682 total mins.
As of right now today, for Leinster, Sam Prendergast has the following:
18 total games, 6 starts, 638 mins.
At the point when Crowley was selected for the EI tour he had played 5 games less than Prendergast, had 1 less start and had around 156 less senior minutes. Nearly a third of all of Crowley's senior minutes had come in a three game span between the EI tour and the Fiji game.
There is absolutely no appreciable difference there, and the only other defining things are the EI tour and 33 mins off the bench for Ireland A.
If you are claiming that Crowley was sufficiently experienced to warrant an international cap but are saying Sam Prendergast doesn't have enough experience to justify even being in the squad then you're being a hypocrite.
Ok so their the same and im a hypocrite 🤷♂️
But then we agree the emerging ireland tours a waste of time.
And we both hope he gets a chance to play on this tour because he is well able, hes proven it with his equal levels of experience with jack crowley when he was capped absolutely nothing to be concerned about with himget him on the pitch
Emerging Ireland tours are useful exercises to give young, emerging players a chance to impress the Irish coaching staff, to learn the Irish patterns and systems and to see how they thrive in that kind of international environment. Clearly the quality of the opposition they play doesn’t tell you a huge amount.
This is just being pretty classically disingenuous and not worthy of responding to or engaging with any further, thanks.
If someone says he lacks experience their a hypocrite but if i say hes good enough im disengenious.
Good stuff
Maybe Sam P gets minutes and we'll see what he's about? No point pissing into the wind if he's inexperienced, if he's good enough, he will play.
Definitely. If hes good enough hes old enough
We should agree with Rassie that if we play Sam P he puts Sacha FM on at the same time
Give the people what they want.
Who's the player SA has that's a direct replacement for Williemse or Am so?
sascha can cover fullback,out half and center
Exactly, so they dont have depth in this position.
Those are the three positions Willemse plays, which is exactly what you asked for.
Kriel is first choice 13 currently, Am doesn't need replacing. If he did there's another Kriel at least.
Kriel, Serfontane, Coetzee, Gelant, Mapoe, Le Roux, Fassi, etc. They have a lot of players around the team.
plenty depth,sacha,hooker,kriel,am and venter,
So you've both proved my point, none of those players are in the same league as Am or Williemse…
No I didnt, you missed out on the "or" part of my question…I didnt say "and" I said "or" .
sacha is going to be world class mark my words.hooker looks good too,plenty others too.but with the tripe u spoke prior to the World Cup I’d just put u in the bracket of been clueless.
He's got 1 cap (yesterday) and this is his first season as a regular starter at URC level and yet you think he can seamlessly step in for world class players like Am or Williemse? He has got potential to be world class but lets get our expectation's in check first…
like I said mark my words.he is an unbelievable talent,proper baller
Just give up, you're embarrassing yourself.
The only person who's embarrassed themselves here is you I'm afraid, before calling someone out I would hit the books and learn to read first! First tip, learn to use a spacebar when creating a username!
He might well be, but thinking he might seamlessly replace Am or Williemse is deluded, he might do it overtime but to think he'll just slot in against Ireland and replace either player seamlessly is just setting him up to fail.
listen u embarrassed urself enough with the tripe u spoke before the World Cup,don’t think u have a clue and prob just one of those bandwagon event junkies that fills aviva!
Why are we talking about replacing am? The mans barely played international rugby in years
"Oh no, he's proven me wrong. I know, I'll move the goalposts by bringing up the WC!". Solid move!
Because when he's on form he's arguably the best 13 in the world, him being out combined with Williemse being out is crucial as they are arguably the 2 most important SA outside backs as for constructing attacks.
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