Following on from
this thread
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That's pathetic.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41410286.html
Are we to believe this is news to you? I've referenced it on this thread at least 3 times. I supplied a link the first time.
Anyone attempting to use race to win a point, just because they are floundering in a political discussion, should be ashamed of themselves.
Besides, Micheal Martin was born in Cork.
Do SF know that? not according to their online mob who think the local elections are
Theres little point in saying here that SF are down 50% in the last decade,SF know that
It'embarassing for them that all these things are supposesly wrong in the economy and voters aren't turning to them this year,why ?
50% less seats than they has under Gerry Adams
Is that a performance for an opposition party to shout about ?
No
THis is what they are referring to, FG need to move this back to Ireland
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/elections-2024/european-election/facebook-accounts-of-four-fine-gael-european-election-candidates-being-operated-from-india/a44575418.html
Indian social media mob???
Underhand racist reference to nationality of the former Taoiseach? We have been here before with a previous departed poster.
We were talking about the spin on this LE. I pointed out FF/FG/Green lost seats.
If we go back to when FF could form a majority government we'd have some stats to laugh over.
Polls are as close an idea of what to expect as we can get. SF got hammered in the polls so badly, I wasn't expecting them to sweep the board in the LE's. Things are so bad for them poll wise they are down among FF and FG.
I don't like being put in a position to be talking up SF. I just pointed out, (it seems a lifetime ago now) that they actually gained seats. It's not my fault some people can't handle it.
But SF have 50% less seats than they had 10 years ago
By any Quantum,thats a terrible situation to be in for an opposition party
No denying that
If you want to go back to 2009, SF ended up with 127 councillors
2004, 127 councillors
Any further back?
In terms of social media, the only part running a mob is SF and based on the reaction since the Local elections instead of trying to calm them down they have gone into over drive
I compared this LE to the last LE. You claimed that standard practice was 'SF mantra' which is bewildering to say the least. You went back to 2014 to try show SF had lost seats. That's cherry picking and what's more bizarre is comparing the 2024 LE to the 2020 GE, which I have no problem discussing as FF/FG lost seats then too, (SF/SD/Green/Aontu gained seats).
We were discussing how the results were being spun. The government parties, (this is the correct thread right?) are on a downward spiral and the Greens particularly are hemorrhaging support. Selling it as a win is Comical Ali stuff.
FF are shrewdly keeping a low profile. FG should be cutting ties with their Indian social media mob. Eamon Ryan telling the Healy Rae's that Kerry is going green is only mental.
I stand over everything I said, you were cherrypicking one election to compare the outcome to.
I was comparing the outcome to the 2020 general election, which you seem particularly anxious to avoid.
True.
They would be more authoritarian than most, given the chance. Back when they were 'the law and order party'.
Maybe the hate speech bill is the new modern twist.
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Cop yourself om
Because nazi's exist but not in form you think. Far right. Far left. All the same to me.
I just thought it was unfair to label FG as nazi.
And BOOM
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F**k me but it’s predicable these days isn’t it? 😂😂😂😂😂
I thought the Old Fine Gael party was more fans of Mussolini fascism than Hitlers?
Why are you talking about nazi’s on an Irish government thread?
Bloody boards
Iv said it here before Joseph Goebbels on the tv and radio. No difference. Completely complicit on propaganda machine oiling and lubrication front. Any opposition to government policy is media scrutinised to the last. Worrying to say the least
The question was on the way the media was reporting the results. That's what I commented on.
So you're going back two local elections now, because you wanted to find one where the shinners had done better. That's a fine obsession you have there.
All I said was FF/FG/Green losing votes was spun as a win, even with suggestions of calling an election early, such was the frenzy.
SF got hammered in the polls. In votes, FF/FG/Green lost votes, everyone else gained. That's it really. I suppose the FG social media team in India and the strategy team in the UK weren't so good.
The only conspiracy theory is all the troubled FF/FG/Green supporters thinking people taking votes over a poll is some kind of shinner conspiracy.
They don't give out council seats based on polls.
Take some advice from this guy:
I've been been surprised to see people talking about how the government should call a snap election. FG vote is down a massive 8% on their last European election bid and down 2% on the locals. That's not a party who wants to go into an election. higher turn out which a general election will have, is not going to favour government parties.
I'd love if all this repetitive pro/anti SF crap could be posted somewhere else. Maybe a SF thread? Local election results thread?
It has very little to do with the thread title.
Ah yes, the new mantra from Sinn Fein, only compare us to the last local elections.
Well, if you compare them to any other election (say 2014 local elections? or the 2020 general election?) Sinn Fein got a hammering, and if you compare them to their opinion poll ratings of 35% a few short months ago, they also got a hammering.
I am loving the SF reaction, it is Comical Ali stuff, we didn't do badly, when everyone knows they took a hammering. The people aren't fooled by SF anymore, and this stuff will only make things worse for them.
Robert Troy apologising for all the errors and saying he should have got help when he put his interests on the business register. Was he wandering around the corridors of power on his own like a lost first year student trying to find his class? Was he the only minister without special advisors? Could he not have contacted the think tank in the UK or team in India to help?
In his closing remarks, Hugh McDowell BL said no evidence had been called to dispute Deputy Troy's account and said he did not think the Commission can come to the conclusion that Mr Troy behaved in an intentional manner or that he intentionally sought to mislead.Commenting at the end of today's proceedings, Adrian O'Higgins BL said that if the Commission does find there were breaches, that they were on the "inadvertent" scale and minor in nature, and certainly not intentional or reckless.
In his closing remarks, Hugh McDowell BL said no evidence had been called to dispute Deputy Troy's account and said he did not think the Commission can come to the conclusion that Mr Troy behaved in an intentional manner or that he intentionally sought to mislead.
Commenting at the end of today's proceedings, Adrian O'Higgins BL said that if the Commission does find there were breaches, that they were on the "inadvertent" scale and minor in nature, and certainly not intentional or reckless.
It's like pencils have erasers.
They could only prove he did it intentionally if he had confessed on record.
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0610/1454019-politics-troy/
It's spin and it's funny
Goes along with this clanger you posted on this thread when in panic mode
Sad to see Fine Gael scrambling to jump on the anti-immigrant band wagon. Say what you like about them, they use to have a stance on such things, which at least gave the impression of a solid party.
Credit to Sinn Fein for not taking the easy route. They fought for immigrant rights for years and continue to do so. One of the few things they excelled at in my opinion.
Strangely enough all the well known SF online supporter accounts doing the exact same at the same time….mabe just coincidence
FYI the results are the results, anyone trying to claim they are a bad result for FF and FG clearly has no idea about politics or the last 5 years of it
Again, all I did was post facts. You can in whinging about shinners. Wrong thread.
FF/FG/Greens lost seats in these locals.
What I said was true
Couldn't care less if they lost seats. Keep on grasping, it's funny to watch
If the facts don't suit, say something about shinners 😂Very Fine Gael.
FF/FG/Green lost seats. I know the spin would have you thinking otherwise.
