How's the silage ground traveling this year?
Grazed off? Slurry out? Fert spread?
Or is it like a bog at the moment, a good year for rewetting.
That's a beautiful massey, hopefully il get one like her in another 20 years. Are they good
yeah really happy with her, 4 cyl boosted to 175 hp. Pulls seriously well, she does feel the fusion when the bale is getting packed but that’s about it. Pulls a 2600 tanker with a trailing shoe no bother at all
Can you transport bales where plastic film is used instead of net before wrapping in outer plastic in yard or have they to be wrapped immediately in combi-balers?
Have never seen it done, but I would imagine you couldn't. They are relying on less than 2 rounds of film on the bale. Nothing worse to throw a bale out of shape, is moving them before wrapping, moving to the yard requires 2 handlings before wrapping.
You can't they have to be wrapped straight out of the baler. The film on its own isn't strong enough to keep the bale together
Im not sure if thats true, you can buy an f5600 plus.
You can buy it, and I was going to buy one but the sales rep told me not to unless I was right behind the baler with the wrapper. There's videos on the agri land YouTube channel of a man in the Midlands with a F5600 plus and a McHale wrapper hooked onto the back of it.
Silage related question, What will lads be charging an acre to take 2nd cut silage this year?
Thats difficult question to answer. I advertised 12 acres of good quality second cut last July on a local news paper. Got no calls. Had got slurry and fertilizer. Had €150 in my head at the time and it would of been a loss for me at that. Ended up keeping it myself and got about 8 bales to the acre. Was glad to of kept it after the winter we just had.
hi lads. Might need to do a second cut of silage. Can close up 10acres that was reseeded last year fairly easily as it was only cut last week. I have never done a second cut before so just wondering what to expect roughly 6bales to the acre would that be about right? And go with 3 bags to the acre of cut sward no slurry this time. Would I apply fertiliser now or wait for the field to green up? These fields averaged 10 bales in first cut after being tedded so was happy with that return.
Cut sward not worth a had of crabs you are robbing your hroundvof p and K. 3-4 bags 18-6-12 try to get CAN based 18's.
Put out the second split of the N for second cut today. 30 units PU. Had got slurry abd 30 units already. Ready to cut some of the delayed first cut 6 acres that was closed late April. Hoping to drop it Monday. When it is in I be at about 200 bales. Another 15 acres that was not closed until May will bring 60-100 more depending on if I make hay of it in mid July
Second cut will bring 100 more bales to take me to above 350 bales
I would also love to know this, I might buy a few acres. I plan to ring contractor next week to see does he know of any available in the area
yeah that’s always the issue with cut sward but just to get the N hit usually stick with it. Find it hard to get the crop off 18-6-12 but maybe if I went with 2 bags to acre and a bag of protected urea or a can of can to the acre 2weeks later would that be better ? Also what would be the expected N units that’s required for a second cut ? Is it the same as a frist cut? 80-100 or is it less you seem to be going with 60units
The second cut will usually be lighter so needs less N than the first. 70-80 units max would do it in my opinion, remember to deduct the N in slurry if got slurry out on it
so 60 units would be too small an amount? was going to apply slurry but it has to be drawn so I might go without it especially since it got so wet so quick and fields are all up hills so don’t want to skin the surface of them
Slurry and 60 units is loads for 2nd cut. If going bales, I would horse out no more than 40 units as you have the option of cutting it earlier and grassier and even getting a bit of 3rd cut if needed. Drought would be biggest fear now for 2nd cuts
I don’t need a lot if I could it would be great to cut it early and very leafy. If I applied 40-60 units and cut it very leafy what quantity of bales to the acre would you expect? Roughly 4 bales ?
It's very hard to judge in bale quantity as there are so many variables, weather, at growing , weather at cutting, the weather for the wilt. And we haven't even spoken about the soil type, type of grass and soil indicis and ph. Growth has been well below the normal averages all year, a bounce has to come sometime,but I still have a feeling that we will have a drought.
Surpluses on grazing ground when they arise can help build good quality bales
If no slurry, 3 to 3.5 bags of 18.6.12, if you have allowance. Of course you can go 10.10.20 and can or urea, or 0.7.30 ×2 bags and a bag and a half of urea, would have more K.
does the p and the k have an impact on the quality of the silage or am I right in my understanding that it just helps the ground to grow and better crop
There are lads will tell you here 100units of K, and that K is as important as N, for a bulky crop. I don't go that heavy as I would be afraid the dairy cows would get short of calcium after calving.
I put slurry and 3bags of 24*2.5*10 +s myself.
Here
https://www.yara.ie/grow-the-future/silage-fertiliser/#:~:text=Potassium%20is%20the%20nutrient%20required,Sulphur%20is%20essential%20for%20proteins.
exactly the same here. Slurry goes on the same day as first cut done or next morning - fertiliser goes on one week after.
Would average 7- 8 bales first cut and 6 ish on second cut
How much slurry?
I put out 2500 gallons, but its the same 2 cut silage ground all the time and the soil tests have my K index 2. Im looking for 2 big heavy cuts as its an outside block.
Go out with 50kgs or slightly more of sulphate of potash.
At that rate you should have no worry and I think the sulphur slightly negates any harm from the k.
Went out with 50 kg of sulphate of potash here and 100 kgs of 22.2.10 per acre for the first cut on long-term silage ground and it came back at 10 bales/acre. Index would have been 2 or 3 for K at last soil test two years ago.
Your k is slightly low but your putting out close to 120 units of k depending on how much is in your slurry
Presumably he's doing the same treatment every year and his index is reducing to 2 or is stuck at 2. At some stage he'll have to come with extra K back into the system to get to at least 3 if not early 4's.
I know people talk of luxury K but he's on a very low base and my own gut feeling is slurry and the sulphate of potash doesn't really give it all out that fast to all go in a cut of silage. Especially when the index is low.
Could play it safer and get in the habit of spreading sulphate of potash at the end or start of year. But it does sound like it will have to be spread sometime.
At least now he'll get a protein benefit in the next cut from the sulphur. But he will have to think it through for himself. But if was me on hungry ground I'd go now.
going to mow second cut tomorrow
Agree with all the above my point which probably wasn't clear is that he's saying he doesn't put out near 100 unit of k ..…but he is and as you say he really needs to
