What part of OUT OF ORDER do you not understand?
Id be putting my cans beyond use if I was at such a festival and not had a machine available.
The part where you cry like a baby all the time.
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Bloody snowflake baby unable to use a machine that is out of order.
Bring a toolkit with you and fix it FFS!!!
In my day we would have built an RVM machine from scratch from empty toilet roll tubes if none was available.
Oh wait no in the good old days you handed your bottles back to a person.
People who just keep shoving their bottles or cans into the machine, without giving it time to process them. I've seen it three times, and the machine shuts down as a result. The screen will often give feedback, but a lot of people don't bother following simple instructions.
Not at all. I'm saying they are working the majority of the time. The people here claiming the machines are out of order 96% of the time are living in some absurd fantasy land.
You do realise this is different in every way to what was done "in the old days"
Ok boomer. 😂
People have mentioned that this is not the first deposit return scheme Ireland has had.
Previously glass bottles could be returned.
Would you care to explain the return mechanism used for that scheme in the "old days"?
Did they use a machine?
The people here claiming the machines are out of order 96% of the time
Link to that claim?
The previous scheme was from an era when glass bottles were valuable and each bottle was returned, washed, sterlized and reused. It had nothing to do with recycling, the environment or anything else. It was purely economics driven.
This scheme is for very different mass consumef products which are crushed and processed into something new. It's an environmental scheme.
And how were the bottles returned? What was the process?
That was the point under discussion, in the post you responded to:
"Oh wait no in the good old days you handed your bottles back to a person."
So can you clarify was my statement correct or not?
Two different eras, different reasons entirely for bringing glass bottles back.
Completely different to the mass consumerism we are dealing with today.
A straight forward question was put to you, from the post you replied to, and you're unable to respond except with a tangent. Speaks volumes.
The reasons are irrelevent.
Other countries, also in the era we are dealing with today, also have more scope for manual returns than we do. Some even specify if the machine is out of order, manual returns must be accepted. Go figure.
It's been said a few times that we recycle 84%+ of the glass we have in this country. It's something that gets reported on a lot but I have no concrete evidence of so please call bullshit if you need to.
There is no deposit to charge or return on glass bottles and also returning glass bottles is usually at recycling centres and the very odd shopping centre, ie the locations are nowhere near as convenient as returning aluminium/plastic. Yet we have a huge recycling rate
I wonder if there's an argument to keep the aluminium/plastic return stations at shops, maybe add glass into the mix, and remove the deposit completely.
Another thing I have found is the Irish people are quite charitable and small amounts of money like 15c/25c means very little to the vast vast majority. Too often I've seen the RVMs reject a can that somebody gets frustrated at and just fires it into the nearest waste bin just out of uncaring.
A few weeks back I was doing a litter collection for my local club and we made a small but substantial few quid off the drinks containers. So clearly there's plenty of people not bothered by the 15c/25c cost
They will be using bins at those locations with a slot at the top to put items in.
No need to worry about the condition of the container or the barcode.
It's interesting because a festival comes under the umbrella of "hospitality on-site consumption" I would think. Meaning they have an exemption whereby they don't need to charge the deposit at all. Electric Picnic has a capacity of 75,000 so if everybody bought one 25c can on average that would be €18,750 spread across 6 charities or €3,125 each. Hardly game changing amounts of money for the charities
Also a questionable practice that there is no ability to reclaim the deposits (a core part of this scheme) I think
So how will the contents of these bins be processed and payments credited?
I can see what would happen if a machine is out order, hour long queues for somebody to manually process every can.
I'd say most people will just do what they do at the moment, bring them home again until they find a working machine.
How will they know how much to donate to the charities if the barcodes can't be read?
Cans and bottles that are not damaged too much can be given to re-turn for the deposit by the organisers. They then pass the money on to the charities
Cans and bottles that are damaged too much for re-turn can be brought to the local recycling centre for whatever they pay out
You are aware returns are manually processed in other countries? Far more than here as they don't have the super-size exemption we granted.
And shops here without RVMs are supposed to take returns manually also, if they don't have an exemption.
You don't seem to be engaging with this point at all for some unknown reason.
Also, reasonable to assume that if the store has to deal with the hassle of manual returns, it would make sorting the RVM a priority.
They guys point was "putting cans beyond reach" the way I'm reading it he would vandalise his can so that nobody could get the deposit he way forced to pay but not given an option to redeem on site.
These festival / charity concepts all sound happy clappy supported by re-turn to make them feel good.
They can still be recycled for cash at a recycling centre, not sure if you'd make the deposit back mind…
Recycle centres pay out here on cans and bottles? Link to source for that?
Unsure about plastic but aluminium and steel, below.
https://scrapyard.ie/scrap-metal-prices/#google_vignette
€1/kg Aluminium, 20c/kg steel
Might not be worth the effort
So they will be giving the charities a deposit for all items even those outside of the scheme recovered from festivals? If the barcode can't be read later on down the line there's no way to verify what amount of money should be given to the charities. Makes no sense at all.
They know where they can stick their reporting
Since glass bottles are banned it's a cartel for re turn
