Separate discussion for the EU election results.
Gonna be close, I'd imagine the odds are now slightly in Ni Mhurchu's favour.
Gildernew probably wanted to be an extra couple of thousands of votes ahead after those SF transfers. Seems very likely Mullooly will benefit more from Toibin votes than she will, so I'd say Mullooly is the clear favourite to take it at this stage.
The other side of the argument is you get to policy based candidates off the list, rather than based on likability/ how many funerals they turn up to.
Wow. Going to close in the South!!! Round 18 count completed.
Kelleher has been elected with a quota.
That's Mick gone. Grace will transfer to Cynthia. Billy's surplus will go to Cynthia too.
Only 1200 behind, surely that 5th seat will go to Ni Mhurcu?
Why would we want to get rid of this voting system!
Death by a 1000 cuts for the candidates!
Wallace is done, he's not getting the transfers
Overall, these results are very positive for Ireland.
Daly and Wallace removed from embarrassing us on the world stage. The two Green Party candidates no longer demanding that we destroy our living standards for dubious reasons.
Hopefully the four people that take their place can reverse and repair some of the damage they've caused in the last 5 years.
Three pretty women will send Wallace into obscurity! I would not wish better myself!
I wouldn't be surprised to see him run in the next GE. It looks like he still has a lot of supporters in Wexford.
Not sure constituencies are fair because they can favour candidates.
So say there was only one, the whole country, I bet proportionally Brid Smith and AOR would get a much lower percentage of the vote and Nial Boylan would have gotten more, for example. So I'm saying the progressive far left types wouldn't do as well nationally.
They are not representing their constituency in Europe anyway in any real sense as they are supposed to be representing the whole country.
So if you want to speed thing up I think we should ditch half the candidates and everyone has the same ballot paper. It would be more fair and I would have loved to have put Brid Smith below Justin Barret just for fun.
Yeah, you'd have to think that GP voters won't go for a builder. Ni Murchu only needed 3k off the last 2, got almost 5k from 1st set.
Actually Kelleher has 5k surplus now to be redistributed. Ni Murchu outscored Wallace 3 to 1, on initial distribution so could pick up the 1,200 needed now although some will go to O'Sullivan as well
She'll be ahead of Mick when Kelleher has his 5k surplus distributed. So Mick will need more transfers from O'Sullivan than Ni Mhurchu gets. That will never happen. Green voters are not even going to put a number next to Mick.
Personally I think a list system for Europe, where having an individual representative is not really important, is absolutely fine. Though I have no particular problem with our system either.
Remind me, is Kelleher's surplus counted now?
Irish people are strange creatures imho. While personally I'm happy to see the looney left candidates eliminated a lot of the candidates put forward by the right, if not actual criminals, you certainly wouldn't leave your partner, child or pet alone in a room with them.
But the strange part is that for the most part we seem to be ok with how things are headed? Tent city, housing crisis etc. At least by support of the same parties again that's the message we're sending.
Yeah, if you look at Ni Murchu, O'Sullivan and Wallace transfers from Mullins, they are nearly 3:2:1 in ballance- so roughly 2,700, 1,800, 900 each from Kellehers 5,300. That'll put Ni Murchu ahead
Yes, all votes are used. Surpluses are redistributed
Ultimately, if you peel it right back, most people couldn't care less about a few tents on the canal. Most people(who are home owners) don't care about the housing crisis. Let's call a spade a spade.
Unemployment has never been as low, we are a nation who likes to give out regardless. If it's not the weather, it's a few tents, if it's not tents, it would be something else
The boom just got boomier babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Grand, can't that surplus helping Putin's bitch much.
Presumably it's because the alternative don't offer an actual alternative.
Only the votes that brought him over the quota are considered i.e. those from the last count. I assume thats what you mean but it could be interpreted that they examine all 100k+ ballots.
My wife asked me a few weeks ago who were Independent Ireland, I sent a link about Michael Collins wanting to legalise prostitution. Her first words were "f*ckin Gammon". We had lived a few years in Brexit Britain were well used to that letchy type politics.
Can't see them lasting is that's their version of being enlightened, taking the criminal offence out of sexual exploitation.
Yes, his surplus of around 5k
In part yes, people don't fully see a viable alternative that's in part due to those putting forward alternatives and how viable they seem but the media play an important role in undermining the opposition too.
But it's also the case as someone else said, unless your struggling for a house the housing crisis may not be a huge issue for you the same with health etc.
The turn out in this election was far more from sections of society who are largely 'content' with things, the turn out in working class areas was quite slow hence the impact on SF.
There's no question she'll be ahead the key issue is how far.
II have done well in these elections but they'll need to coalesce into an actual party with a full set of policies now rather than just a bunch of individuals if they want to avoid the fate of most new parties.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. Why is it supposed his 1st pref vote came from Wexford? It's a huge constituency. I'd think the good people of Wexford know more about Mick and his shenanigans than most, the odd good bit and then the awful shyte & hypocrisy from the man.
Main thing Mick had going for him is a big mop of hair and colourful shirts, makes him stand out on the posters and ballots etc
His political career will be dead and buried alongside that of Daly
