Clare GAA Discussion part 2
Have said before would prefer Conlon in forwards. Lohan hasn't really experimented outside of Cleary at 3 and Conlon at 6 in the league which as created an issue. You think he have done something with that at this stage.
The freetaking has become since Colin Ryan retired. No consistent freetaker Kelly, Duggan, McCarthy, Rodgers and Reidy have been tried over the years.
How could I forget Calamity Jane in goals. My memory must have gone into black out to protect me from the anxiety he rises in Clare supporters. Under pressure he's a disaster and unfortunately being an intercounty goalie is a pressurised position. The stutter step / goose step would have done the great Australian winger David Campese proud. The only problem was there was no one to trick.. he just had to come to the ball. He had loads of time to get there before Hegarty but he brain farted in a big way. Listen his puckouts were mostly crap aswell.. hitting the sideline like 2018. Just put on anyone over him. The puck out strategy is down to timing ...plain and simple. One week of solid goalie work will get a new fella as good as Quilligan anyway. Id actually put Quilligan in charge of tutoring his replacement for the Wexford game.. It's a team game after all. Suck it up Ivor
I am because I care and I see a great generation not reaching their potential because little tweaks and little inches weren't reached for.
I think Conlon is becoming a liability, Lohan obviously wants lots of ball going through him coming out of defence. His distribution is usually very good, on Sunday Limerick swallowed him up in possession, he was probably lucky with the ref a few times in the first half.
It's very unusual for Clare's work rate to let them down, it did on Sunday. At times they looked too caught up a tactical plan, not playing the easy ball, looking to play the instructed delivery, even when it wasn't working. Quilligan's clearance that led to Limerick's goal was typical, man in space 40 metres ahead and instead he tries to play a long crossfield ball.
A lot of Clare's players are struggling for form right now, they're definitely in a bit of a rut, they look nothing like the free scoring hard running team of two years ago.
the big problem with the missed chances is in the end we were 7 points of the target thats required to give yourself a chance of beating limerick , it would have been set as 30 points plus , we were miles off that between missed frees goal chances and some very poor wides from open play also the level of quality ball into the inside line was dreadful at times , yes we were put under serious pressure at all times when in possession but we are much better then that for sure
i often taught he was one of ye at times 😂 . he's right though , you can sulk and feel sorry for yourself or you can start pointing out what needs to be fixed and get it right ,that's what clare need to do now over the next few weeks
there are threads on this website about the dominance of dublin football, it has highlighted where one or two top counties have in sorts waved a white flag to dublin , its the last thing we will want to do beit kilkenny , limerick or whoever
2 weeks time is a huge game for lohan though , if we dont get past wexford there will be serious questions to answer in september or october in front of the county board , if we win its back to where we wanted to be at the very least at the start of the year
Agreed. I’d have a few concerns on Lohan’s decision making on the sideline and some of the selection decisions such as in the full back line. But a lot of what happened on Sunday is fixable and a lot of it typically wouldn’t happen. McCarthy on the frees, a few fluffed goal chances. Aggression levels didn’t seem at their normal pitch either.
Granted they don’t have a lot of time but they can definitely fix some of the issues from Sunday in time for the next game/games.
YoYou're a hard man on your own people Peggy.
I think the penny has finally dropped among certain Clare Supporters that this Limerick team is better than Clare at everything.. not by much but by enough. They are smarter , work harder , more ruthless, better coaching , just all round better. It's taken along time for that penny to drop with some. Fingers was saying 'Clare never fear Limerick "..well fingers we shoud have resoect for them.I say that because there should be no arrogance in our Clare side. We've won nothing but we could still win an All Ireland.
Time to tell Rodgers as good as he is that he can't be missing open goal chances. My granny would have put that away. McCarthy thank you for your service. He has to be benched. Reidy starts for me everytime. Id tell Shanagher be ready for the 45min..you ll be on.
Cleary doesn't need to foul so much. The guy is clueless . A junior hurler . He's a liability. Id drop him. Malone and Lohan..? We can have one of them but not 2. McInerney was terrible.. Conlon..last year for him. Can't move. And let's not forget TK...he was shocking . Should have been taken off. The 2 missed frees...just no. Drop em in..do something clever. Put Duggan on the frees...it might stop.him climbing all over fellas in the first 10 mins of matches if he has that responsibility. Shane O Donnell is a saint ..I dunno how he listens to lohan or look around at greedy eejits like McCarthy and Fitzgerald
O'Neil, it was late and I posting it , 🙈
Do you mean Cathal O’Neill instead of Conor Boylan? Boylan only came in the 63 minute.
Is there a case for changing the goalie, genuinely ?
Quilligan's probably around 30 now and was never really in the top level of goalies. He's got plenty experience but neither puck-outs or saving have been good this year.
It seems like Broderick is the sub now, he did OK in the league v Wexford, might be worth a go against the same opposition in 2 weeks. Not sure if Foudy is still on the panel ? With Quilligan out of form there's not much to lose.
And if we want to change things up, might there be a case to take Conlon out of centre back? He's starting to struggle to cover the ground. Cian Galvin could start wing back with D.Mac or D.Ryan switching across. Or Lohan go back, and Paddy Donnellan start.
I just think the current team will not beat KK in a semifinal and will struggle v Wexford. We don't have much to lose and at least we'd be giving exposure to promising younger players.
limerick withdrew all there half forwards and midfield when we went long , kinnerk again with the football tactics , so when limerick turned us over there was acers of space and for 3 forwards each time , they targeted cleary but they also targeted hogan , any time they targeted leen he bust out the field and drove us on,
leen was also double jobing today , cleary would not venture outside the D area if gillane tried to bring him out the field so conor L would pick him up , he actually got two crucial blocks and a serious hook on gilane , cleary was to take up leens man if he entered the D ,
Leen was superb his balls into the forwards and his reading of the game even when hogan or cleary mistimed a long quaide puckout in the second half he was underneath it to sweep it up
i was very disappointed with davy fitzs workrate today he never tracked kyle hayes once , but had a serious impact on the scoreboard . you would like to see lads working harder then that
the workrate of will o donohue and conor boylan is unreal , shane o'brian was serious for limerick on his debut too , limerick are serious at the moment but its still better to fight then lie down , big game in two weeks time to get back on the train
Sure there'd be no craic without differing opinions! 👍
There was too many clare lads left isolated today also without support. A few times they won ball and straight away surrounded by 3/4 limerick players, with no options to pass it off. This is what limerick do so shouldn't have been a surprise to clare.
say what you want to say dont ever worry about me , i was riled by the reaction to the group game in April that set me off
to be fair the better team won today , we never reached the heightens of our best game this year which was cork away ., i am more worried about our basics going into the wexford game then anything else , we were so poor today even in space we needed two or three touches
it would have been great to win today our one dimensional tactics just didn't help us today
I'm strangely not too disheartened by the result today. We went into it as underdogs and rightly so. But I wouldn't be as negative as what donal og and Liam sheedy were on the panel. They reckoned we were lucky to be within 10 points of them! Bar a few bad frees by Mccarthy and Rodgers hitting the post it could've been very different. I don't think limerick were that much better than us.
Facing champions like that, you have to take your chances, and we didn't.
On Cleary, (not to get into another argument, but I think today highlights what my point was). His reputation has followed him for pulling and dragging. He got pulled for 2 frees I think, for pulling out of gillane with the ball the other end of the field. They were soft frees I think, but because of his reputation the ref was looking out for it. In general also he didn't have a good game, and was rightly subbed to also avoid a second yellow.
The subs Lohan bought on were to much of like for like there was nothing different. Shanaher should've been brought on. All day long ball was been sent in but wasn't sticking in there. O Donnell did brilliantly with whatever he could get on. His hands are magic.
I'd loved to have won a Munster!! It may have been our chance to beat limerick. Cos as we know they're different gravy in Croke Park... And are kilkenny. And not forgetting Cork sneaking up..... Still not that disheartened though, under the radar might suit us.
i was in the section between the 45 and 65 in the old stand at the back of the clare dugout , lohan never even confided with his selectors until the 60th minute , shane meehan and shanagher spent the bulk of the second half sprinting up and down the sideline warming up , it was like something you would see at an u12 game , a pick me moment only to be ignored by the management full stop
both players must be furious that they are getting no sort of look in at all , lyons was the same in the all ireland semi last year against kilkenny after he failed to play the advantage but look that's not the reason why limerick won today
to be fair to cleary , he marked his own card , he literally wasn't watching the game in the first 15 minutes of the game just gillane so it wasn't hard to miss , i talked him up as being a francie bellew type of defender , francie was sneaky in his defending he made sure no one was watching ,
i wouldn't worry about the clare supporters acting like its the end of the world it was the same on here on the 21 of april we will have a serious game on our hands though in two weeks time against wexford , then hopefully another craic at kilkenny if not life goes on as they say
i never seen anything like the hesitancy shown by david fitz today he has been under the workrate spotlight for a while but today was awful to watch , he scored 4 lovely points from play but allowed his man to score two and allowed his man free reign of semple stadium once he was 5 yards away from him he just gave up its not good enough ,
daragh lohan and cathal malone worked really hard in the rucks and the physical stakes but they were well beaten bey there men , conor boylan has been excellent all year for limerick and today he was one of there harder workers
losing today is tough , the crowed will be small again in thurles in two weeks time but if we can clear the wexford hurdle we will be back where we wanted to be from the outset of the championship , and that's all you can ask of the team
spotted the kilkenny management heading for the exits before the final whistle in the old stand , no comfy seats for the kilkenny lads i see in tipp , he looked like he was coming from row 201 in the stand ,
By my count, in the 20 or so minutes after Hegarty’s goal, Clare missed 2-3 worth of chances. Limerick got five points in that period… Felt like Cleary’s card was marked before the game today. And he was caught for the pulls and drags off the ball, he usually gets away with. Some players were very hesitant at times, none more so than the keeper for Hegarty’s goal. He’s run out was of a man in two minds. Talking to some Clare people they’re acting like it’s the end of the world. But this can go one of two ways now. I wouldn’t rule Clare out because they’ve been here before and have to have learned how to deal with this situation at this stage. It’s not where they want to be but they have to much talent to fade away like some are suggesting
Riedy should have been on for Lohan early, McCarthy wasn't involved in the game. Rogers can do what McCarthy does.
Kelly was only finding his feet in the second half.
Changes have to be more ruthless. at some point Conlon is going to have to be thrown up Full forward when he starts to fade.
Leen was excellent. Cleary was obviously targeted by the ref early. I think Morrissey had Rogers held at the and worst than Cleary does and no foul. Limerick also played the ref better.
Will need to look at the game again in the cold light of day, but I think Colm Lyons lost the nerve a little. The delay didn't help him either.
ahem , a bit like the side that lost to limerick in the last two all ireland finals maybe 😏
not ruthless enough , in front of goal or on the line , david fitzgerld put in one of the most back seat passenger performances i have ever seen from any player in a clare jersey today , i apologise to the man if he was carrying an injury but the scores he got flattered his overall performance
conor lean was excellent for a young lad only starting out
yeah no complaints either , better team won , management far too slow to make any sort of impact sub , limerick a generational side in fairness will be talked about long after i am gone for sure
all we can do is dust ourselves down and go again in two weeks time
Easily said. Hit the post twice, once for a point and once for a goal. Limerick hit the post and it went for a point. Small things change games. Great goal keeping from Limerick. Limerick the Better team so no complaints.
Yer goalie is really poor at the puckouts. On numerous times, when he throws it up to strike, it hits his helmet.
Great individuals in that Clare side but they arent a great team like Limerick are. Lohan relies on individual brilliance from O Donnell or whomever. Limerick have the individuals, have the sideline amd make better decisions. Where to for Clare now..? Probably beat Wexford, probably won't beat Kilkenny . It's a pestering out of this particular Clare side. Limerick are fantastic. Lohan has to be criticised after today
yeah, Limerick might be a great team, but Clare just did not perform today. They must be just sickened.
This was their chance, fully fit squad with good momentum. Limerick down a few men.
Clare haven't got it when it really matters.
Typical Clare. **** yer pants yet again
Sitting in the car and that was pathetic
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