The sharks will be out for you unless you post a pic, and even then?
No in reality. That's why the evolution of our waste management shouldn't be completely discarded when some jobsworth declares, but but but Germany.
FF and FG have basically spent the last 30-40 years basically selling off everything that wasn't nailed down, with the plans to sell the nails too.
The state completely privatised waste collection over 20 odd years, I think it was Dempsey who arrogantly declared that the Irish People will only behave when they are hit in the pocket (sic) Of course the new way was going to be the environmental way. We had heaps of new logos.
This scam is a further step in the privatisation of waste management, setup a quango with no oversight, when the títs fall off the cow, sure it's not governance fault. Accountability is hard to stomach for a politician, blaming someone else isn't. Europe made us do it, etc.
See The Children's Hospital for the most recent example of this.
We needed waste management companies and we needed them to be more environmental, so we incentivised this with subsidies so we they could make investments in people, equipment and premises with the added bonus they could sell on the high value trash.
Now basically overnight we have swiped away this revenue stream, but we still expect the collection companies to be environmental on the low value or negative value trash with less subsidies.
So someone will have to pay for this shortfall, now it obviously could from the projected 10s of millions Re-Chit-Chit will pocket, but fúck that. You and me will pay and we will happy with it.
The reality is though, unless the waste management companies are re-incentivised to be environmental because the scale is no longer there so what you will see is more incineration and more landfilling.
And probably less competition in the market which of course will lead to higher prices.
That's a very long reply considering that in the first line of my post -
"I take your point about Re-turn and commercial sensitivity"
I never suggested that Re -turn shouldn't be subject to oversight and reporting requirements.
There is a difference beyond semantics in the relationship between bin companies and the consumer and the relationship with Re-turn.
I think they are quite different too but for other reasons
Please see my reply to Odyssey.
Yes I do think that any company I have a contract with should be able to justify price increases.
Well they are both waste management companies.
One provides a service that you pay for, the other makes you provide the service that you pay for and they earn money from this.
Genius really.
But for some reason your problem is with the original waste management company.
That's not allowed.
You should be able to cash it or exchange it for goods immediately.
Complain to the shop.
They operate in different areas of the same industry.
My problem is not with the companies per se but with the fact that we can't establish -
1 Have they increased prices due to DRS ?
2 If they have, by how much ?
It's in the report that was commissioned to shoe horn this scam into existence.
The exact figures no one outside the waste managements companies will, but this Ireland so it be multiply by 2 and carry the 1.
But they would be under no obligation to itemise this amount. Which is handy.
Can you prove you were at that music festival?
Which report was that ?
By the way it seems we are both interested in getting the same information.
The report from the environmental company that was hired to shoe horn this scam on top of us.
You have been on the thread from the start and are one of the more active members of, the report has been linked to numerous times.
I'm surprised you haven't read it.
But no, we are not interested in getting the same information, you only want the information that justifies your blind admiration for the scam.
That's up to you.
What do you think the shop will do?
What are re-turn doing about out of order machines?
This con is really designed for the big players Dunnes, Lidl, SuperValu etc.
There should be a customer charter. If a machine is routinely out of service or there are always big queues we should be getting compo.
Same as if airlines have flight delays.
I hate this scheme but it doesn't suit the retailer for their machines to be out of order, so that part is not a "con".
The whole reason retailers pushed for this scheme was it provided them a way to tie up customer cash in vouchers that could only be spent in their stores, and also increase customer football as people are forced to make additional trips to their stores in order to bring their empties back (and these additional trips will often involve additional purchases).
Retailers want their machines to be working since that's the thing that makes them more money.
Maybe you misread the sign. Did it say 30 minutes or 30 seconds?
It wasn't separate chambers. Everything was thrown in together
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How do you know where the smell came from, you weren't even there
Not to worry, if it does happen to come to hand please stick it up.
There have been four threads altogether and I think I posted in all. I find it hard to recall all the docs posted.
Just one small quibble, I don't blindly admire DRS.
They'll definitely do nothing if nobody complains.
Re-turn also won't do anything if nobody complains to them.
Customer Charter is a good idea worth exploring.
Well then, as I said in my post they were
wrong.
It's not relevant to DRS trucks anyway because they only contain recyclables.
I didn't say I know where it came from.
I just know that there is nothing in an RVM that could produce the smell of landfill gas.
Definitely 30 minutes. 30 seconds wouldnt pose a problem.
During the week I saw a promotions crew for a 'rather large' drinks company giving out free cans of their drinks at a train station, no deposit return fee was required, not sure if the cans had the logo on them or not, is this allowed? Reason I ask is a couple of weeks back Vodafone were giving away free cans of Coke Zero that could be redeemed in SuperValu but when you went to collect you had to give over the 15cent.
Those that make the rules can bend the rules
If they paid the deposit they can give them away.
Vodafone could have paid the deposit for those if they'd wanted to
I'm seeing more and more people picking through bins in DCC these days. A grim success for the scheme, I suppose. Yay for Re-Turn.
More of a failure really, the end user is not arsed walking a few miles with a fully intact can to find a working machine to get back 15c.
I've seen a couple of people doing it too.
It's not hygienic or safe to be rooting through litter bins.
It was said before in thread that something like these will be piloted. I think in Dublin.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5036222
I suppose that's slightly less **** than the current situation.
Has Vanilla struck or stuck again?
