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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    30% is not close to half.
    A local councillor saying he is doing a great job and patting himself on the back in a shocking interview 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    "Pat Treanor attributed the high number of different nationalities in Monaghan to the thriving manufacturing sector"

    So nothing to do with "consulting the locals" and all down to the thriving economy, brought about in no small part by FFG the excellence of economic policy. Good man Pat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Any apologies for being a part of the pule-on ridiculing me for telling lies or spreading misinformation?
    Nope - didn’t think so. Just puck something that helps you push a party line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, not in 2022, but events have occurred Mark that have increased those figures again as the FRC have stated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Pat Treanor said it. Its in the article you quoted. I didn't make it up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Did Cllr Pat Treanor not mention the thriving economy as a reason for successful integration?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Any comment on your allegations and insinuations that I was lying?

    Do you accept the figures?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Not relevant, not my claim.

    I am more interested in the statement that the local councillor attributes successful immigrant integration to a thriving local economy. That's great to hear for that part of the country, I understand Clones has been a disadvantaged area for many years due to border closures in dark times.

    Great to hear positive outcomes helped in no small part by sound economic policy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    My issues with how the country is being run have nothing to do with the economy.
    Well it does in a way.
    In that. this thriving economy cannot sustain a functioning health system due to incompetence at HSE and government department level and housing is in at a decade long crisis because of similar incompetence and pandering to vested interests.

    Despite a 'thriving economy' there is a better way.
    *We know that many immigrants are here to service businesses that need cheap labour. We have a large population of Brazilian and East Timorians here being employed by Larry Goodman.
    p.s. You quoted and added to a post accusing me of 'not knowing the truth if it hit me in the face'. Are you man enough to accept you were wrong and I was quoting not mis-information but actual figures given by a Tusla body and the CSO?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    You might have the wrong person here in terms of seeking a retraction.

    My only point is that the local councillor credited the economy for successful integration, not consulting the locals so that they won't burn things to the ground.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    this is you…backing up Mark.

    finty.JPG

    Mark has never retracted his allegations before so I don't expect much of him.

    The 'local councillor attributed the reason some of the migrants were here to the thriving economy.

    Pat Treanor attributed the high number of different nationalities in Monaghan to the thriving manufacturing sector and said that many foreign nationals work in the local shops and hospitality businesses.


    He attributed their integration to the same thing I attributed it to:

    'The Sinn Féin councillor praised the work already done by everyone in the Clones/Ballybay area from the Family Resource Centre to the Tidy Towns committee for including the people from some 20 foreign countries who have moved there.'

    "They've settled in very well in most cases. There's been a fair bit of integration that has been done and it's something that needs to be worked at; integration doesn't happen on its own and needs resources and leadership. And I'm very proud of the town here,"

    Bolded text mine.
    You'll need to work harder at spinning the government party line and stop seeing what you want to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Nope, he said it was the economy. He is proud of the integration, and goes on to say it doesn't happen on its own. It needs resouces (and leadership). If it has happened, and it needs resources to happen, it must have got the resources required. Well done to government for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    An example of spinning that should be taught in spinning school TBH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    If I didn't know better, that sounds like an admission you've been spun out.

    Thank God, Pat Treanor and the good people of Clones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Gwan Finty. spin this again to mean that the thriving economy is responsible for successful integration:

    Pat Treanor attributed the high number of different nationalities in Monaghan to the thriving manufacturing sector and said that many foreign nationals work in the local shops and hospitality businesses.

    Colm Brophy or Regina Doherty would be proud of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,999 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    He attributed their integration to the same thing I attributed it to:

    No he didn't.

    You claimed the successful integration was down to communication with the locals.

    The local councillor doesn't mention communication anywhere at all - he attributes it to resources and leadership.

    You've some nerve to accuse anyone else of spinning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Please read:


    Why? Because of how they were integrated and how people were kept informed. Local political reps (from most of our political parties) made it their business to take part in this process.


    You will see the word 'and' in there and I used it because I mention a couple of factors. I did not say it was 'down' to one thing.
    The councilor mentions the same thing:

    There's been a fair bit of integration that has been done and it's something that needs to be worked at; integration doesn't happen on it's own and needs resources and leadership. And I'm very proud of the town here,"

    It is you who are spinning…furiously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_refugee_crisis#:~:text=Venezuela's%20crime%20rate%20is%20a,According%20to%20Gareth%20A.

    https://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/17759

    Learning from the experience of other nations is important. Remember kids, we can be the next Venezuela, all we have to do is vote for change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,999 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    What have I spun?

    I've pointed out yet again an example revisionism from yourself.

    To paraphrase your own posts - are you enough of a man to be honest about what you've actually posted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is how you spun what I actually said:

    You claimed the successful integration was down to communication with the locals.

    This is what I actually put it 'down' to in my very first post on the issue:

    Why?  Because of how they were integrated and how people were kept informed. Local political reps (from most of our political parties) made it their business to take part in this process.

    You spun the 'and' right out of that sentence. I.E. I didn't put it 'down' to one thing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,999 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    "They were successfully integrated by being integrated" ……….. - times like this the pac emoji is badly missed.

    You've multiple posts citing communication and consultation. Insinuations about "communities being left in the dark"

    If you're not willing to be honest about your own postings what hope is these for any good-faith engagement from you ever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They were successfully integrated because they were dealt with by the work the different groups the councilor talks about did.
    AND because there was consultation with those local councilors keeping people informed.
    ‘And’ has been around a long time you should know why it is used in a sentence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,999 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    He makes Zero mention of keeping people informed in his comments. You're literally making stuff up - again.

    Keep up the condescension - really shows your character when that's how you react to someone pointing out the latest of your lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I never said he did.
    i posted the article because it contained the relevant CSO 30% figure.
    I posted the other article because it showed how some of the integration work was done.
    i, in my original comment said that one of the reasons was people knew what was going on because people were kept informed.

    I actually quoted my original post. Are you sure you have been reading the thread properly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,999 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Yet again - if all you have is lies and condescending digs, it says more about you than anything else.

    plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Where did I claim the councillor said that integration worked because people were kept informed?

    I didn’t claim that.
    I said it, I did not claim the councillor said it. I posted that article for the 30% CSO figure.

    I know you probably won’t hold up your hands here and admit you got it wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Apologies. Yesterday I was a ‘liar’ even though I backed up the claim I made and today I am a liar because I claimed a councilor said something when I never did claim that.
    The pile on just because you criticise the government for something is intense at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,999 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    He attributed their integration to the same thing I attributed it to:

    You attributed the successful integration to communication - something the councillor never mentioned.


    lying about posts from the same page is a new one - even with your track record



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,369 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The councillor praised the work of the FRC and other organisations for the success of the integration. That was what I meant when I spoke about their integration.

    I NEVER repeat NEVER claimed the councillor said it was because of communication.

    Not on this page or any other.

    I claimed part of the reason was communication. Me, nobody else was quoted and no lies were told.

    End of unless you can quote me claiming the councillor said it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,999 ✭✭✭blackwhite



    The only reason for successful integration you mentioned was communication - you never made any mention of the FRC or any other bodies as a reason. Stop lying - the post has been quoted repeatedly at this stage.

    You then claimed the councillor backed you up when he did nothing of the sort.

    You used love labelling anyone who disagreed with you RE the troubles a “revisionist” - yet here you are trying to revise your posting history from the past 24 hours. And we all know how honest you always are when it comes to your posting history



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