Just found the above chart backing up what I have been saying for years.
Global warming is a wholly natural event, if humanity disappeared tonight, global warming would still happen.
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Show us the study, the data supporting the claims. Sorry but I ain't taking a single word you say at face value.
Once again, failing to produce an actual peer review study and outright claiming such a study is impossible. You've been given a simple example by @Shoog that could be done to scientifically prove the claim but instead it's back to name dropping. There is no scientific proof for the claim you're pushing. That's a fact.
It’s there, i posted a long term study from the Royal Society. Not my problem yee dont like it or doesnt fit yer narrative. Just look how stupid yee actually have been on this thread. Claiming Chernoble was good for the environment in the long run. Cattle grazing are bad for the environment
Plant trees in the desert
Mind boggling
I dont care what you think. your not that important!
The top is the results of conservation in arid brittle areas of the world
The bottom is the result of using Animals as tools, properly managed.
Could soon do with a bit of global warming. Not much sign of it yet this summer. 😕
Showing two random pictures is not proof of your claims. Only long term studies with data can support your claims.
Your a magical thinking guy so it's acceptable to you to take a charismatic characters word for something.
That's not how you get real grown up people to accept what you are saying - you show them evidence that the claims been made are matched by real world examples. You have never done that and Savory has never done that.
What you have shown on multiple occasions is that you really don't understand the issues, the scope of what you are saying and basic ecology and history. You are the mark for Savory.
I have some magic beans to sell you.
Cherynobol has some of the best natural habitats in the whole of Europe with some high population densities of species which are rare in Europe. It's a regenerated natural habitat and demonstrates what happens when you exclude humans from an area for a period amounting to decades. The areas in many parts of the exclusion zone now have radiation levels which are far from exceptional because most of the really dangerous radioactive elements have already decayed away. Just like Hiroshima which has radiation levels slightly above normal levels and has been fully repopulated.
I would not advocate using a nuclear explosion as a way of gaining back truly wild spaces, but Cherynobol is a perfect example of what happens when you remove people from an area - which is generally positive for all the other species we share the planet with.
Ever hear the phrase a picture says a thousand words? Bottom picture is under holistic management. Top is under conservation, Animals removed for decade’s.
Everything iv claimed is backed up. It just doesn’t suit your beliefs & agenda.
SHOW US THE **** EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A photo without any context and data is not evidence - how am I supposed to verify it says what it says it does without data. That is why we do peer reviewed studies so we can trust and repeat the claims been made. Hearsay is worth nothing.
The doomsters are all talking about us freezing now in this thread
It’s hard to keep up with the eco fascism trend
They are talking about a possible localized consequences of global warming. It's not a subtle distinction.
It’s in an area that get’s moisture year round. Iv said areas that get year round rain respond very well to conservation. Conservation is the best tool to restore biodiversity.
Its the areas of the world that get seasonal rainfall, 3-4 months of a wet season & 8-9 months of No rain that’s desertifying.
Whats actually worse about this is you haven't even attempted to explain how you go about greening the desert - a claim you have repeatedly made here.
What you have said is meaningless because they are just words - you have not said anything which anyone has any reason to accept as truth because you refuse to support it with evidence.
You are repeatedly talking about wiping out humanity with nuclear warheads
It’s fascinating that once you scratch an ism, logical conclusion the extremists arrive is fascism and extermination of people
Bollox, I have never said anything of the sort, in fact I have said the exact opposite. What you have actual said there is both slanderous and shows you aren't actually reading what I am saying.
Ah goway it’s not my problem your absolutely blind & dumb & ignorant. Not wasting my time with you braindead clowns
The feeling is entirely mutual. When you come back with that evidence we can have a grown up discussion.
There Thick beyond belief, they think there very clever because they always throw out the wheres the science line. Wheres the peer reviews!
Not knowing the difference between science & academia. Thinking Nothing new can ever be discovered because it doesn’t have a peer review these day’s.
Weve been discovering thing’s for thousands of year’s without peer review.
Look at a map. The whole world is following the mainstream science which is reductionist & conservation. biodiversity is falling off a cliff, desertification is increasing, wildfires, flooding, famine all getting worse. Nobody can argue with that.
Areas & land under holistic management all improving.
Peer review papers are just words written down. Must be meaningless too.
Your prefered solution is not an evidence based solution. You also do not undesand the difference between a natural desert and degraded rangeland.
I did some more digging on regenerative farming - and most of the wild claims been put forward for it are based on converting degraded tillage land into rangeland and claiming this has massive carbon sequestering potential - no **** sherlock - anyone who goes from tillage to fixed pasure will see enhanced carbon sequestering because tillage simply pisses carbon into the atmosphere at every stage - and sward builds biomass. No revelation there just common old garden farming.
Without evidence you can say any old **** and fools will believe you.
Peer review is a method of demonstrating your understanding, methods and evidence so that other experts can assess it's credibility and duplicate your results.
All of the advanced in science over the last century are based upon the scientidic method and the peer review process.
Snake oil salesmen need not apply - as they seldom do.
Yer right there in that. Pity our dumbass politicians want grassland reduced and more tillage
When applied to technology & things we produce & make all Complicated systems !
When applied to Complex situations that are ever evolving such as Society, Finance & the environment. It hasn’t been as successful.
What wild claims about regenerative agriculture?
Do you even no what your arguing against anymore? That’s what I’ve been saying for the past 20 pages on this thread! You actually challenged that & I provided a study by Teagasc confirming the carbon storage potential of soil. I no perfectly well the difference between a natural desert & man made one’s. Perhaps you need to learn that every action has a reaction.
I asked you for the study's that support the claims of Allan Savory. I never asked you for a study of the potential carbon sequestering potential of soil - you pulled that out of your ass along with your many other unsubstantiate wild statements.
I cannot forget your claims about how Egypt became a desert - I am still chuckling at that foolish misundertanding of history.
Biggest proof we have of removing animals leads to desert is Whats happened to the mid west of the United States. Million’s of Buffalo & Bison used to roam those land’s for thousands of year’s & Is what sustained the Native Americans for hundred’s of year’s. When the settlers arrived and hunted all of those animal’s to the brink of extinction, we have the results today. Desertification everywhere.
They ploughed Lois based soil effectively removing the cover from meters of loosely packed dust. It had nothing to do with the extermination of the buffalo. You excelled yourself there.
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