Amazingly, its not early days.
We've had a recycling scheme in place for the last number of decades that a significant portion of the community engaged with on a regular basis.
It was straightforward.
Now it needed enhancing and improving. For example there were nowhere near enough public recycling bins, there were vast amounts of people who, for one reason or another, never had access to a recycling bin at their place of residence and many many workplaces and educational institutions didn't have recycling bins available.
One could also argue that we weren't able to properly count the amount of items that were being returned versus being purchased.
One could argue that the scheme didn't place enough onus on the producers of items to reduce or indeed come up with some innovative ways to reuse containers etc.
I would argue that the new scheme, solves none of the above problems and in fact creates many more.
The new scheme needs 90 percent of the public to engage but there appear to be whole swathes of use cases where higher than ten percent of the population cannot or will not engage.
The scheme increases drastically the number of car journeys required to recycle, makes engagement for the elderly, disabled or remote much more difficult, results in increased cost of bin lifts and the products themselves and ultimately for those that do and have engaged not worked all of the time for one reason or another.
The fact that they don't seem too keen to either release figures that make any sense or put any pressure on producers to change is also damning (they are the producers)
The 'solution' to any issues will be to increase the deposit fee, and people will rightly decide to buy less, which is a good thing. But call a tax a tax.
So stop with the apologies for what's going on here or standing up for big business. Look at the obvious.
ReturnGO?
I guess it will be subscription based in collaboration with RTE...😃
Maybe An Post should accept them as payment for TV licence 😏
Sounds grand until the machine is broken. Or there's a huge queue.
At least something good can come from this utter nonsense.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/porters-raise-thousands-for-hospital-with-deposit-returns-1633013.html
GAAReReturnGo.... subscription may apply...all proceeds reinvested in grassroots recycling or RTE/GAA/Drinks ltd. execs....
Don't know where my post is gone 🙄....it may return soon
He asked where does the charity bring the bags of cans.
Where would they go as I'd love to stockpile a couple of thousand cans and do it in one go?
How does this work with vouchers does anyone know?
Dunnes do a get 5 off 25 voucher. So if I buy 25 use that voucher can I then use the DRS voucher too?
Nice idea by these men. I sure there are other places , clubs organisations etc that could do something simlar
https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/hospital-porters-nicknamed-the-3-29280132
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When paying with the DRS voucher it is just the same as cash or any other form of payment.
What you need to watch out for in Dunnes is that deposits charged don't count towards the 25 euros.
The total price at the till might be €25.50 but if a euro of that is made up of deposits towards items you have bought, your voucher won't count.
Not so fast there B.
I made it clear in my posts that I was speculating based on the information to hand.
I even said that I might be wrong and some other solution would emerge.
I didn't try to mislead anyone.
Yes.
Our local river rescue charity is collecting bottles and cans, they did their first redemption run this week and have raised 300 euro. They have a barrell at their hq where people can bring their empties and have asked local businesses to donate bottles and cans. A great idea.
It's only 4 months in and remember you are replying to a post about charity collections.
I'm not apologising for anything or standing up for big business.
I've posted here and in the original thread because I'm interested in the scheme.
I'd like to see the problems including those you mention addressed.
Just a couple of quick points before the thread disappears again
1 It's 90% of the containers not 90% of the population.
2 There should be very little need for extra car journeys.
3 It's clearly a deposit, not a tax.
So Tesco are selling can crushers for father's day for 12 euro, so you can pay them for the privilege of you not , nor anyone else, being able to get the deposit back on the cans you buy from them. Genius move.
As I said to B I was speculating based on the information to hand.
The pilot at Bloom this weekend involves the cans being lifted direct from the Phoenix Park.
If you represent a charity I suggest you contact Re-turn.
I really have no comment on any issues you have with GAA, RTE or An Post.
The machines don’t seem to check the logo, just the barcode. I’ve returned loads of cans with no logo.
Again today. 6 big bags of returns.
That's right, the barcode does the business to identify the can in the RVM.
The Re-turn logo is just an indicator to the consumer that the can is part of DRS.
It is a tax which if you go to some lengths, you may reclaim it, but on their terms. Traveled to NY recently, bought bottled water at Shannon before flight departure. No sign of a RVM, perhaps there was one or two but with limited mobility I am not going to traverse the airport to find a RVM. Go on a day out, purchase a deposit/tax laden drink, but carry it round till you find a RVM, but perhaps that RVM is in a shop which gives you credit, yet at your home area, that shop does not exist.
This makes no sense whatsoever, but another reason to ask for cash back first for your vouches, and then pay for shopping….
I always insist on cashback (Sometimes I'm buying nothing anyway, but even if buying I ask for cash), I don't care what they think, it's my(Our) right to take the cash
It was just a Joke…(For this thread at least)
The airport/ferry port situation is one of the anomalies which have come to light.
Long ago way back in the thread I suggested using the same exempt stock that is carried on airplanes/ships.
As for being on a day out in Ireland if you keep the container it can be redeemed at any RVM.
If you use an RVM away from home you can collect cash for your voucher.
To conclude, it's not a tax by any definition.
And I think we are off air again.
edit - Might have jumped the gun there.
Sorry, it went right over my head 🗣️ 🙂
What am I lookin king at there?
Is that an RVM?
Sorry just not sure of the context.
Looks like a guy emptying the bins on Dart station platforms (Connolly in this case) of any RVM returnable bottles or cans into black refuse bags. Clever boy!
Oh I see!
Well in fairness this is one of the benefits of the scheme.
On the golf course the other day I could see a few in the bins. You wouldn't bother when playing but makes sense for the grounds people to do it.
Same with everything from electric picnic to the all Ireland final.
Alot of people that would usually be siting down looking for money ,are now walking around carrying big black bags that rattle alot ,also noticed a lot of corpo bins have suddenly been bent open to gain access. O
