Forgotten or see it as a positive?
I have overall we have seen the rise of single issue voters. You can see it on here as well. People will go to war for anyone so long as they are anti legalising abortion or anti trans etc. etc.
The issue now is that Trump is such a horrific human being and so full of himself that they need to tie themselves up in knots to defend everything else and justify their support. That single issue means everything to them and so they need to follow in everything else.
Except you only get one vote, you can bet as many times as you want, and are those bets localised?
Ita actually quite hilarious seeing Trump trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance and messaging around Biden.
He's a corrupt mastermind who plotted Trumps downfall...but wait he's also a doddering old man who had no idea what's going on around him and is too old to run the country.
He's constantly having to check himself mid-flow when talking about Biden and try to correct course.
Well according to his lawyer trump was involved in the jury selection
Even without him being involved, both the prosecution and defence teams get to have a say in the make up of the jury.
Unfortunately in the US not all votes are equal due to its voting system.
Remember it's not a democracy it's a democratic republic
More like the delusional disorder goes on in fairness
What debate? Without watching a video, because we're on a text based website, what's their argument? Whats the pros and cons? What did you find compelling?
so the most people put money on the person who was most likely to win. Thats it. Its not clairvoyance.
Left, he's guilty, fair trial.
Right, kangaroo court in a democrat stronghold
Common sense, stupid to be trying to stop a political opponent with frivolous cases from many years ago, this is America, not Russia.
What is frivolous about hiding the truth from the public in the context of a presidential election?
The public may feel entitled to correct information and cheated if this is concealed (and denied where it was true)
The penalty /sentence,to be decided in 5 weeks time is to be decided by the judge and may indeed reflect mitigating factors(eg catch and kill is ,regretably not illegal per se,Trump is old,it is not a crime of violence etc)
But ,if you do the crime it is not unreasonable to see the light of day shone on it when uncovered.
Not everything is fair.Fuc around find out.
He's in trouble with them too so I'm sure it'll come up again. It's like Kessler syndrome for crime.
Is 8 years ago now a historic case or something?
There's a good timeline here, its not really outrageous when you take into account Trumps non-coperation with the investigation :
Serious questions though, and I'd appreciate your answers.
1: Is Trump above the law?
2: Is Trump capable of breaking the law? Any law, take your pick.
3: If Trump is capable of breaking the law, where and how can he get a fair trial in your eyes?
it seems very political in its timing with Biden and the Democrats looking like they're hunting Trump down using the same techniques Putin used on Navalny.
The mechanics of democracy doesn't negate the point. Betting is not indicative of anything beyond the amounts of money people are willing to spend & lose on a whim, informed or otherwise.
The obvious differences between the way one's opponents were dealt with.
Two things that I'd like an answer to is whether: A. there were GOP voters amongst the jury members or whether, as Trump and his team have insinuated, it was rigged by the Democrat party, and, B. How many other times in the past Trump and his various lawyers have used [or suggested] similar deals to keep the hush on other women.
If the illegal book-keeping activities are not a once-off but a tried and tested routine used by Trump and his media pal/s to keep stories out of the newspapers, how many more trials for similar illegal activities may there be in the offing for Trump? The former National Inquirer gent stated, as a witness at the trial, that he had kept stories with a liability to harm Trump out of the paper.
Is anyone suggesting that such illegal activities should be swept under the carpet merely because the accused person is a rich high-profile personality in a "what price justice" style?
First comparing Trump to Bobby Sands and next it's Navalny. Apart from what constituted their 'charges', both Sands and Navalny fought their cause for the benefit of their fellow countrymen, for the benefit of others, trump is just fighting for himself to save his own skin and no one else's
Father Teresa /ffs
It would have been over a lot faster if Trump didn't delay, delay, delay. Have a look at the timeline I posted
Sorry, I must have been asleep or in a coma. I missed the bit where Trump was tried in a court before a single judge, was disallowed from calling witnesses, wasn't allowed proper legal representation and then was sentenced to twenty years in an arctic hell hole prison on the north coast of Alaska near Barrow. How long was I out? What year is it?
Navalny, Bobby Sands….what the hell? Why beat about the bush? Lets go the whole hog. You know this is what the MAGA will be saying next.
What else was supposed to happen here. He committed the crimes before he became president.
He wins the presidency, so he's untouchable for 4 years.
There's then a window of opportunity for prosecutors. They either bring the charges now, or risk him winning the election and becoming untouchable again.
If anything, he's gotten away with things massively because of the rest of the courts. The supposed weakest case against him is the only one he's had to face before the election.
The evidence in the other cases would have been much more damning to his election campaign
I do find it interesting that none of these people spoke out about the various charges against Hilary when they couldn't even find anything gto stick there.
18 YEARS AGO
Not 8, when he was not even in politics, that's when the alleged interaction with Trump occurred , and as for the payment, it was more to do with Melania not finding it in the media, and 10% about Election .
But the case was about the description in the books, what should he have put the payment down as, as to avoid this. He paid a lawyer, and someone in accounting put it down as a legal expensive. The Shock.
It's a nothing case, and should never have been brought, it's the lowest of the lowest crimes, it's like driving 1mph over the speed limit.
As for Biden, was he behind it.. does it matter, fact he never stopped it, it happened on his watch. He never stepped in, to tell those in New York '' STOP IT, This is not what America is about, you're killing me in the polls!, stop this now'' But it didn't , he watched on, cheered on, and here we are, Biden is tanking, and Trump gained 60 million in a few hours.
So you want Biden to activately be involved in the law? That he should have the power to intervene, or not, for political friends and foes.
Make you mind up.
Uhh… there's no way Biden can step in and tell them to stop. This isn't Ireland.
CFTrump misused campaign funds in 2016 to cover up this affair. If he's such a 'certifiable genius,' he could've hired Stormy as 'special massage assistant' for TrumpCo (or got an underling like Weisselberg to do so) and no one would've noticed. It's the coverup that he has been convicted of. Probably hiring an idiot like Cohen - lest we forget, he's pretty stupid - wasn't a good idea.
Biden can, categorically, not do those things.
He can pardon him now (if trump admits his guilt). Should Biden pardon him? (trump would never admit his guilt as it would remove the plausible deniability most of the maga loons live in).
I do note that those who are most "aghast" at the guilty verdict are also those trying to push polling numbers the most and portraying the verdict as a good thing while pretending really hard that they are not a trump supporter.
Buddy. What happened 18 years ago is irrevelant. It's what happened regarding the hush money and the way he cooked the books so he didnt have to pay for it, 8 years ago. I gave you a timeline and everything!
What about my questions though?
Is Trump above the law?
Is Trump capable of breaking the law?
If it's that Trump can break the law, how can he be prosecuted fairly in your eyes? Will you only accept a verdict from people that say, live in Mar-A-Lago?
I don't think Biden has jurisdiction to pardon CFTrump. Not a Federal conviction. Governor Hochul might be able, but a pardon won't come through until after appeals are exhausted
I'm pretty certain a big stumbling block is that you have to admit guilt to receive a pardon. I could be wrong on that.
Correct but it hasn't stopped idiots from claiming that he can based on the statements from the consoiricy theorists, sorry I mean correspondents on Fox etc
