No, this is silly MAGA nonsense.
I stopped reading when you referred to "far left".
Try and avoid the cliches,.then you might, just might look a tiny bit more credible.
That was the official report
Biden tweeting. Thinking he was going to get a boost, the replies are a insight though.
https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1796292494151573855
Why? Is Biden from Lowell Massachusetts? Last time I looked Trump is from New York.
What if Biden stood trial in Scranton, Pennsylvania? Would he get a fair trial there?
You know Trump has been involved in over 4,000 trial already?
Trump claiming he is a political prisoner and getting the begging bowl out 🤣
BBC breaking news reporting him found guilty of all charges. He's on his way home by motorcade to Trump Towers. Live feed on TV. Sentencing at a later date. He's had a rant "statement" outside the courthouse.
Don't assume everyone else operates at your level.
Judges are professional. Yes they of course have opinions, but their job is to administer the law 'blind'.
It is the entire basis of the legal system.
It is always amazing that the very people that claim the system can't possibly be biased against blacks or other minorities are the first to claim that the whole thing is biased against a white, male millionaire with powerful connections.
In your view, can any conviction of anyone ever be deemed safe and fair?
Probably the worst result if your a biden supporter. Trump has played this brilliantly and the verdict will just harden a lot of support for him that are on the fringes. Any spectator with a neutral viewpoint could see this was a made up load of bollocks. Anyway will be interesting but as a betting man I would say trump is now a certainty
Real 4D chess alright.
Yep very clever. Your on the ball
It's been eight years. Stop. It's over. Just accept it and move on.
If you think this is over..... Id say it's only just begun.
How? 34 convictions in a single day. He's done. You'd have to be properly shameless to vote for someone like this.
Very few people are "far left" and "far right", the centre exists for a reason (Biden is slightly right of centre FYI). It also doesn't come into criminal trials.
What is telling is trump using the same denials used by mafia bosses when they are convicted. Again, don't get taken in by trump as you usually do, find the objective truth and work from there.
I would argue that a poster using piers morgan as a point maker has summed up themselves rather than the situation, I retract my previous comment, you're in deep again Toby.
@Ten of Swords or @Beasty this can probably be closed off now.
Sadly, there will be plenty that will still vote for him. Sobering article here:
I think the debate will be very important. If Trump goes off on a tangent about how he's a political prisoner etc. that might help turn the undecideds against him. His base will back him no matter what, but he needs more than that to clinch the election. Not everyone will be won over by Trump's revenge fantasies.
It was a book keeping charge he was convicted off and he will get a slap on the wrist. Your reading too much into it. Bookies don't get stuff far wrong and he is favourite across the board whether you think people who vote for him are shameless or not.
Picked the wrong night to hit the sack early, but what a great morning!
My twitch was in fact correct. Guilty on all counts…. trying not to dance but heck, why not. Maybe, finally, the forces will slide to moving the felon out of in front of everyone, every day.
Guilty!
it won’t mean a damn to his base though.
I guess the reality is that the core won't change, and you'll have some small portion that will vote for him for the lolz of a convicted president, but you would have to imagine that this will be a big hit for him for independents, floating voters, etc. You might see a portion of people who were leaning Trump and feel they can't vote Biden shift over to Kennedy now, which ultimately could help Biden
Correct there is plenty of evidence already online that they don't have possession of their faculties, the mental capacity or have enough in common with him in relation to some of his convictions and brain farts for it to make a difference.
The bookies that according to you "rarely get things wrong" have got every election involving Trump wrong so far.
What makes you so certain that they're going to be right this time??
He has been shameless from the start and an egregious contradiction to all the values (Christian) conservatives loudly claim to uphold. Yet whatever 2024 brings he already got voted in once.
The independent and wandering vote must surely be lost but the base and media mouthpieces will and have remained dogged in defending Trump.
Sums what up? That tedious refrain that it's not a "real crime", like tax evasion and so on? Nobody died etc etc. Seems apt another media blowhard would trumpet that the crime is trivial, makes you wonder what Morgan has got up to in his life, given he created en entire public vendetta against a woman that ghosted him. Can't imagine there isn't more.
I fully expect the MAGA diehards and the Christians to be all in at this point. I was referring to your American centre-right types. Surely some of them must be at least asking questions at this point.
Two elections wrong in 140 years would make me think bookies are generally right. In 2016 nobody foreseen trump like Devon loch losing the grand national but in 2020 it was toss of a coin the same as this election will be. To think what happened in new York yesterday is going to have a major effect on trumps chances is imo wishful and naive.
https://theconversation.com/joe-biden-how-betting-markets-foresaw-the-result-of-the-2020-us-election-150095
Records of the betting on US presidential elections can be traced back to 1868. Since then, no clear favourite for the White House had lost before 2016, except in 1948, when the 8 to 1 longshot and sitting president, Harry S. Truman, famously defeated his Republican rival, Thomas E. Dewey.
In 2016, the exception was repeated when Hillary Clinton, trading at 7 to 2 on (equivalent to a win probability of about 78%) as polls opened, lost in the electoral college to Donald Trump. In so doing, Trump defied not just the polls and the experts but the “wisdom of the crowd” as displayed in the betting markets.
Bookmakers are not clairvoyant. They get things wrong all the time. There's also more than 5 months to go before the election. A lot can happen between now and then.
A lot of past elections were won closer to the polling day- it’s way too early to call it - who knows what sho1te will arise and when but it’s likely to be a dirty battle on both sides
There's already extensive polling showing that up to 20% of current Trump voters have said they would no longer vote for him if he was convicted of a felony.
The polling says about 5% definitely wouldn't vote for him if convicted and another ~15% would seriously consider not voting for him if convicted.
So if those 5% definites and even if only small % of those that say they'd consider not voting for him decide not to , then he's done.
A swing of 7/8% away from Trump to either Biden or Kennedy is a death knell for his chances
I'd argue that the presence of Kennedy on the ballot will make it more likely that those in the "considering" bucket above choose not to vote for Trump because Kennedy gives them a way to do that without voting for Biden.
There is zero polling indicating that people would change their vote to Trump as a result of him becoming a felon. It will certainly galvanise the supporters he already has and they will probably give him more money to spend on lawyers , but there is no evidence to suggest that it's going to win him "new" support from people that weren't planning to vote for him already.
