But it is not Corbyns claim, unless i am missing something. It is Al Jazeera news which has documented the activities of Israeli official Shai Masot. The response of the Israel government is he was a lone actor. Where have we heard that before from the Israeli government. Have you watched the Al Jazeera video ??
see here
And a follow up in the house of commons, PMQ.
Or do you consider that Al Jazeera and the HOC to be linked in a joint anto-semitic conspiracy
Something more robust than Al Jazeera saying so would be nice.
Its possible that people on the left don't like her from a policy POV tbf.
She wasn't in Corbyn's camp. That's a much more likely explanation IMO.
I felt she contradicted herself, kept using her baby and breastfeeding as an excuse, blaming others and some look over there's.
I also reckon she burned her bridges with the party with somenof her statements.
Nice take-down in Haaretz. https://archive.ph/hqmx2
Thanks. I was right to be suspicious.
It's been noted that many right wing members of the Labour Party (of which there are a large number these days) have been very outspoken on Twitter on a whole variety of subjects and don't seem to have faced any sanction from the leadership.
I'm not getting dragged into all that - I'm just pointing out that she was awful on Newsnight
That was 'after' she was deselected. There's no indication she was causing trouble for the party before this, apart from them not liking a few of her tweets over the last ten years.
…and what? Maybe read what I originally posted again as you seem to be drawing something else from it…
Al Jazeera is a reputable media source. Who do you want, the Daily Mail?
You do accept that both the conservative aid and Israeli embassy staff member were removed/resigned?
Where's the proof that Israel installed Starmer as leader of the Labour party? I'd rather have that than your snide comments.
The only reason given by the leadership is that they didn't approve of a small number of tweets she sent or liked over the last ten years. It seems an incredibly flimsy excuse, given that the tweets seemed innocuous enough.
Of course she was going to be wound up on Newsnight, having been de-selected at such short notice. Would Starmer be in relaxed form if he was removed as leader in the next week?
I dare say if they applied that level of scrutiny to all of their candidates history they'd be de-selecting quite a lot of them.
Its factional, plain and simple, which is Starmer's right but really does create controversy when there was no need. Maybe they're just bored being so far in front and doing the whole fighting with one hand behind their back thing.
Labour should be a broad church and all that, but it's becoming less and less so.
Edit: Mark Logan another Tory MP is joining Labour, hooray!
Starmer was the primary beneficiary of the documented interference in the Labour party selection process helped and assisted by the Labour Friends of Israel and the Israeli embassy. Starmer continued using the antisemitic trope to purge the party of anyone likely to oppose him.
It wasn't a snide comment. I never mentioned Israel installing Starmer. You are confusing me with another poster. I reacted to your comment ".. I expected it to be an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory and I was right. Corbyn's claims, as described in this link, do not change that."
Let us leave at that. We have very different viewpoints
So you're just spouting an antisemitic conspiracy theory.
We're done here.
You have yet to define what you mean by anti-semitic
Starmer has his dirty little hands all over this so whatever you choose to believe he is far from squeaky clean and virtuous.
Coupled with him renaging on just about everything he said in his selection campaign - I just don't trust him and don't imagine he will grow any integrity when he weadles his way into the PMship.
I do think anti-semitic is now simply a term of abuse. As i said in an earlier post, we are all anti-semitic according to israel and we share that with the judges of the ICJ. Maybe better to drop the use of the term all together.
If Starmer had a plan to be a dull candidate and let the Tories tear themselves assunder then that plan is starting to fail. The controversy around the dumping of certain candidates has now become the main focus for a lot of media. BBC , Guardian and Independent are all leading with that row.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-rayner-diane-abbott-keir-starmer-labour-b2553843.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/30/blocked-labour-candidate-faiza-shaheen-to-challenge-deselection
And the reaction of one of those who was tweeted by Faiza Shaheen
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jon-stewart-faiza-shaheen-labour-b2553787.html
At the same time, the Guardian has an article suggesting that some voters who are fed up with the Tories are still untrusting of Starmer so Labour still have work to do.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/30/a-disaster-undecided-voters-say-britain-is-a-mess-but-still-worry-about-labour
Labour are still on course to achieve an overall majority. But if it does so by purging its' left leaning candidates it might end up a fairly damaged Government
there seems to be lots about some guy from the embassy saying they don’t want Corbyn (which is understandable given some of his views£ but I don’t see anything saying they want Starmer as leader. this look like a classic case of 2+2=Starmer is Zionist plant.
"I do think anti-semitic is now simply a term of abuse. As i said in an earlier post, we are all anti-semitic according to israel and we share that with the judges of the ICJ. Maybe better to drop the use of the term all together."
Umm, we're not all antisemitic according to the Israeli government. It overuses the thread against any criticism, which is absurd.
However, it's interesting that when they use that phrase, there's a chorus of 'See, it means nothing now!' because the Israeli government used it. Sorry, but that's false. There's plenty of examples here on boards (though, lately most on the Israel/Hamas thread, not so much this one). Go look there, averages about once/week it seems. There are many times its appropriate to call something antisemitic. Just look at the IHRA definition in case you're wondering what it means.
Asking for clarification on 'Starmer was helped by Israel to take over Labour' is asking for a clarification on what on the surface sounds like an antisemitic conspiracy theory. Based on the Al-Jazeera video, and various followups that you can dig up with Google, it sure sounds like it.
It's like when Tommy Robinson said that the word racist had lost all meaning but if that's where the Labour left is, I can't blame Starmer for taking a firm hand. Funny how it was fine when Corbyn and Momentum were doing the purging though.
Who did he purge?
Did you support that purge as well?
Oh it's a broad church alright. A broad church of soft Tories.
Fucking hilarious this, kicking out Labour members who have been serving members for YEARS and getting in ex-Tories.
Kier Starmer's "Labour" Party. 🤣
The Starmer purge is indefensible.
Ideological purity is all well and good but it only appeals to a very small number of people and basically makes a party unelectable. For all the talk about Stamer being a soft Tory, Corbyns focus on ideological purity meant he was all but a fully paid up member of Tory party. Unfortunately his views were not widely shared by the UK population. The fact he wasn't prepared to moderate his views to better match what the UK public wanted meant he made Labour unelectable and guaranteed Tory majorities.
Stamer is aiming for a broader coalition with labour and yes he is definitely not as ideological pure as Corbyn but Stamers approach will assuming he wins the election will result in Labour policies actually being implemented and not another 5 years of Tory rule. The sad fact is from the sounds of it some people would prefer Tory rule instead of having to make the messy compromise leading a country actually involves.
As someone pointed out earlier Corbyn failed, he lost to Boris Johnson. It's mindbogglingly that he's still being talked about nevermind venerated as a "true labour" leader.
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