Have Ireland not experimented during the last 4 years?
and?
Who is telling you that?
Yes, let's make this provincial 🙄
Read the thread - It was a Leinster fan that mentioned Beirne being on tour and as a possible captain.
People seem genuinely unable or unwilling - more likely the latter - to distinguish between random chatter on the internet and the selection policies of the national team.
If players need a rest they will be rested during the club games. They don't need to be rested for international games.
The full squad should go and the coach's can then decide if they want to experiment with 1-2 players integrated into the existing team, which gives them a better chance of been a success long term
Wholesale changes should be used for EI tours etc when the main players will get rested for those tours.
Missing a couple of URC games during the season to get an extended break is the answer here if people are concerned about players minutes
It's more interesting to see when we didn't experiment on the lead up to the last World Cup when the entire game plan was changed and in one position alone (10) we tried multiple players in 6 nations games etc
How much experimentation do people want?
Or is it more along the lines of they want "insert personal pet project player" into the team
Because the conversation started with the statement Beirne should be rested as he’s played a lot of rugby, if you can’t see the irony with that then it says a lot.
He won't get two games off during the season though, he will get 2 or 3 off at the start of the season, which gives him a summer break.
NO, it DID not, you and others trying to make this out to be something it's not and worse still are happy to drag the thread through another pile of dog poo.
It actually started with a poster saying who will captain the tour, and that poster went on to name Beirne.
Poster suggested Beirne could be skipper, this was your reply;
“Beirne should not be on tour, we know what he delivers and he could do with the summer off
Doris has been stand in captain for POM so it's safe to assume he'll get that role in SA”
So why rest Beirne and not other players with a lot of minutes?
Re read the thread, I mentioned Beirne in the context that he and he alone was mentioned by the OP
If you're going quote me on who I think should not be on the tour then re-read the thread and see what I have said about the tour.
dont be disingenuous now phog
this is your post from 14th of this month:
at least you've been consistent, but own your opinion please and do not try and pass it of as "i just mentioned Beirne because another poster did"
so why dont you answer bogwhoppit and others question? why beirne and not other players with high minutes? what makes him different?
Sorry but you mentioned resting Beirne and in the same comment said that Doris should be captain
Doris who has played just as much for Ireland and also played a lot more intense European games for Leinster as they got to the final.
That makes no sense
Just to confirm I think none of them should be rested and they can be in the URC
@phog
Maybe I’ve taken you up wrong but your posts come across as saying Beirne should be singled out for special treatment. Personally I think none should be rested for the tour if fit, they get rested for the club games.
People seem to think that we have some aort of say over selection policies of the national team on boards. Its chat not advice to andy
Ah here, you're the one being disingenuous, you trawled through my posts to try and find me mentioning Beirne and then ignored the previous post where once again someone else mentioned Beirne.
It's gas at this stage that you really want to turn this into something it's not.
You absolutely are taking me up wrong.
I've previously stated that I think a number of players should be rested for this tour and that we should be targeting a few players that are in the fringes but all that is forgotten about because there's no point scoring in that.
To me, @AbusesToilets post reads like a response to a previous post about Henderson, and mentions Beirne in the same context as McCarthy & Ryan.
Your post doesn't read like a response. It reads like a strongly held opinion that Beirne, specifically, should not travel to SA as he has played 'enough rugby'.
Perhaps you did not intend it to be read as such, but it looks definitive.
something its not?
we've no idea what "this" is because you refuse to explain why Beirne and not others?
im genuinely perplexed as to why you cannot develop your opinion on this, this is a discussion board after all isnt it? it wouldn't be much of a place for discussion if we all made bland statements and didnt bother to explain them.
at least the posters arguing against you are able to say that, as Beirne is a CC player he will travel and play, and his minutes should be managed throughout the season at club level.
now perhaps you dont agree with this statement, but refusing to argue your corner is not a good look for you, especially considering youve made your bland statement twice now without progression. Or maybe its simply a Big Lebowski thing happening here.
Yes, this is not difficult.
Henderson is injured, AB mentions that he thinks Henderson may not make the squad anyway and then names 3 players that would be ahead of him, two on whom are in their early 20s, one of whom is in his 30s.
I suggested resting guy in his 30s.
Ahh …. is being in your 30's then the same thing as played 'enough rugby'.
Ageism
Motherfuckers who thought their ass would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't. - Marcellus Wallace
You told me in a Pvt Message that you aren't interested in any of my replies.
If that is your view then the you're really only posting for point scoring and in view of your recent (now deleted) post on how you view anyone from Munster this will be my last reply to you.
Anyway. If we assume a 33-man squad, it could look something like this;
Porter, Healy, Loughman, Furlong, Bealham, Jager, Sheehan, Kelleher, Herring
Ryan, Beirne, McCarthy, Murray/Ahern/Treadwell
Doris, VDF, Baird, Conan, Prendergast, POM/Ahern/Hodnett
JGP, Murray, Casey
Crowley, R Byrne, Frawley
Aki, Henshaw, McCloskey, Ringrose/Osborne
Lowe, Nash, JOB, Hansen/Larmour
So I reckon the only calls are
I don't think POM was as good as he has been last season. Baird and Ahern were both better than him this year imo, and there's also Prendergast. I feel like this is the time to move on from him. He's only going to trend down, and we have excellent replacements.
Likewise, I don't think we should take both of Murray and Casey. Doak would be a call for the future, or Cooney outright based on form, if we're wanting an old head. Murray should be retired period.
Youre very upset just because you were asked to explain your point of view, by others mind, not me. Thats quite a strange stance to take on a public discussion forum.
Jesus Christ if the likes of Healy, POM and Murray go on this tour then we deserve every bit of quarter final misery we get
I reckon you're a back three player short (Stockdale) and a backrower heavy. Farrell likes going with only one openside, and you don't need three 6s or 8s. I can't see them phasing out O'Mahony yet considering he was captain for the 6N and looking at how Earls was kept on. Farrell sees the squad harmony/morale positive as outweighing the negative of an aging player maybe not quite being there purely based on playing merit. And POM probably isn't even at that stage yet.
I'm interested to see where Tom O'Toole is in the pecking order. He's been a bit of a pet project for Farrell over the last three or four seasons, but is he now behind Jager? Does he switch to loosehead? Farrell's gone with only 5 props in squads before, and he doesn't seem especially keen on Loughman, so maybe they just go with the props that make the XXIII and O'Toole.
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