discuss here.
Sure, he did what was expected of him. I’m just not sure that will get us over the line in a game like this.
Its most obviously tongue in cheek.
It's acknowledging the team that won it all
Can't believe how this is going over people heads. This reactions really aren't helping change the "sour grapes" impression been given off by Leinster fans since the final whistle on Saturday
Yeah, I can't think of one better off hand. There is literally no weakness in his game - obviously his passing range, vision, judgment etc are all top tier, but his defence and kicking are incredible too. His two 50-22s were inch perfect and he probably won more jackal turnovers than anyone on the field.
I think 7s has improved him further - his jackalling has come on even more and he looks a little bit trimmer and quicker too (without losing any of his ridiculous power for a relatively small man).
Molecast had a fairly glowing section on him that had the line that if he keeps doing what he's been doing, eventually people will say Lionel Messi is the 'Antoine Dupont of Football' rather than the other way around.
Best individual performance in the final since, possibly going back to Sexton's comeback vs Northampton?
Maybe a shout for Itoje or Billy Vunipola in between, but this seemed to surpass them. DuPont is going to go down as an all-timer.
He was defensively superb. He won one absolutely massive turnover in the first half in their 22.
Agreed he was pretty quiet in attack. Same could be said of most of the Toulouse backline (sans Dupont).
Ntamack is obviously class, but he was anonymous on Sat, arguably less impactful than Ross. Can't remember a single noteworthy moment from him
Rather suggests no one should ever pay any heed to anything Oval Insights suggest from their data.
Shows how utterly nonsensical the metrics and “data” is - how a game that went to extra time and was so incredibly close throughout could have this kind of outturn is just stupid.
The entire Leinster front row dominated their opponents; and guys like Joe McCarthy, Robbie Henshaw and Caelan Doris had big games too, at a minimum.
Some of the talk on byrnes been a bit harsh i think. Hes exactly what hes always been its not a sudden fall off a cliff
That's mad, Ted
Yes, even an inferior replacement might look better at first.
Both defences were excellent. Byrne is a good player but he looked a level below Ntamack and JGP, let alone the other lad. That’s a problem in a game of this standard.
Never seen this before
Definitely though it is worth noteing for frawley in particular tolouse where playing kinghorn at 13 at that stage so possibly more space to attack.
Vdf possibly should have started but its all hindsight talking. I thought it was a good shout at half time
I thought we looked livelier after vdF and Frawley came on.
Dont think it matters either way, porters a weak scrummager but hes so good elsewhere hes still a bo brainer for leinster and ireland
Let's move on. Match is over and will not be replayed. Congratulations to Toulouse on winning and commiserations to Leinster who put up a great fight but fell just short.
The Toulouse TH was full stretched out at every scrum, his technique was pretty crap in its own right.
At this stage the only conclusion I can make re:Porter is that he figures it's worth gambling on a ref not pinging his bind, to give him the chance to pull down and bore in
I think Porter was actually pinged for pulling down on the jersey, rather than going down.
The first one did win Toulouse a penalty. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough about that. Porter goes down as soon as Mauvaka releases the jersey. It's happening at every scrum. Toulouse have done their homework on Porter.
point is that scrum strategy could just as easily be a Toulouse penalty
If thats how you read it i suppose
I'm trying to compliment their scrum strategy and you say the most obvious point then try make it about a munster player
I mean it works because porters dragging directly down. No pom to pop his elbow up i guess
Porter is clearly in my opinion the best irish player and one of the best of all time. He's also very often illegal in the scrum.
Literally the very same thing happens at the next scrum after Byrne kicks it out on the full. Must have been a strategy. Carley doesn't give anything even though it's right in front of him. Although Leinster have a shove and Aldegheri's back foot slips so not a clear cut penalty against Leinster.
No, that’s not what I’m saying. For each and every incident you basically need to see it both in the freeze frame and the real time speed to sense check it, but most especially moments like the ones I’ve highlighted. The notion that the rest of you are all objective and neutral observers and only the Leinster fans are guilty of bias is a pretty misguided one too, especially when you look at the multitude of posts (and those who liked them) in the match thread.
If this is intentional, it's absolutely genius. I think it might be.
Scrum at 35 mins. Porter is holding himself up on Aldegheri's jersey, which in turn is being held up by Mauvalla's right arm
Then Mauvalla lets go and guess what happens
You don't even have to slow down every tackle/ruck or mauls to see potential infringements refs haven't pulled. Refs will not and can mot pull everything. Game would be unplayable and unwatchable if they even tried do that
So when it comes to the decisions that negatively impacted Leinster its okay to slow them down, freeze frame them and then chastise the ref for making the wrong call but when it comes to decisions that favour Leinster people should focus on how those incidents happened in real time and its hard to the judge them so they shouldn't really be considered. There's guilty of seeing what you want and then there's complete bias.
The reality is the Willis tackle is the probably the only clear and obvious error I think the ref/TMO made. One could slow down nearly every ruck and maul in the game and point out an infringement that the ref missed.
I can't see that happening, sorry
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