Will this be "Independence Day" from the Tories?
I mean, the easiest answer is to remove the cost of a passport, but for some reason I don't think the Tory's would like that.
So that means it's been applied much later than it should have been.
Arguing about voter ID is a foolish fight by Labour (or the democrats in America) as it proves the point that people are making that they just don;t want it because the people who are likely to vote for them my not have it, they only are opposed to voter ID out of self interest, if they had more sense they would agree with having more robust voter ID and then nobody could complain about them ,it would be an easy win for Labour. There is no way that in recent years people shouldn't have been allowed to vote with proper ID in any country.
Mandatory age scan in pubs are rare in the UK.
But the point is - why introduce measure which has the primary outcome of reducing young voter participation - if that wasn't the intent all along. It bring absolutely nothing else to the table.
They don't want it because it's intent is to surpress a key demographic of their. Why would they want that ?
But they have plenty of money to spend on socialising I bet?
The cost of getting passport , drivers license is not that prohibitive , and should not be considered an issue if you think voting is important.
Labour should roll out a system like the Public Services card we have in Ireland as soon as they get into power and that solves the issue straight away.
It shouldn't really…. majority of the people who will be willing to vote will have a passport or driver's licence.
Most others will have a PASS card through employment or education (or you can pay £15 for one).
If you really want to scrape the barrel of the argument, your dole card will give you access to Voter Authority Cert (even an anonymous one for the tinfoil hat wearers, although how they square having a dole card, but not a "government ID", I'll never know), for free…
Last option requires people who usually don't get up off their arse, actually getting up off their arse.
It's not a show stopper.
The evidence doesn't support your radical conclusion.
Let's take the elections last year:
About 14,000 people were prevented from voting because they could not show an accepted form of photo ID during England's local elections, according to the Electoral Commission.
Even if we double, treble, or quadruple those figures, it has a negligible effect on any election.
That doesn't mean they were trying voter fraud - it meant they had no photo ID. Jesus.
Voting is your right not something you have to buy into with a membership card. FFS.
did you even read the post? you can get free voters cards
The intent is still to dissuade average young voters. The intent is achieved when a substantial number don't vote because they have hoops to jump through. The intent is not to empower young voters to get out and vote for labour or the greens.
Nice to see you have a limit on how many disenfranchised voters are acceptable. Seems to be 56,000 at a maximum? Have I that right?
Now, what's the largest amount of voter fraud ever found in a UK election? Anywhere near that number?
As for 56,000 being a negligible amount... Due to FPTP, recent elections have been won or lost by a mere two votes.
https://news.sky.com/story/how-close-was-that-candidates-win-by-tightest-of-margins-10909466
the same argument could be applied for having to sign up to the electoral register too…
You can sign up to the register, and voter card at the same time… it's trivial (and can be all done online too for free)…
or are you expecting to just rock up to a polling station, with no ID in hand, or be even on the register and expect to vote.
There are far bigger reasons why the average young voter doesn't vote.
Can we just be clear here, for a second — is it your position that someone should be allowed to just turn up and vote? No checks of any kind?
From Cleverly interviews this morning it's clear this new 18 compulsory work policy hasn't been thought through.
They not really sure what jobs, there is no idea of any sanction for those that refuse. They haven't a cost. Haven't talked to those that would have to implement it.
Bear in mind the Tories should have been ready since they called the election.
Its another Rwanda. Designed to grab the headlines but no idea how to implement it.
It's quite simple - if you introduce mandatory requirements for voting, those requirements should be accessible at zero cost.
They don't want people voting though. That's the point of these insipid voter ID laws.
They present their voting card. They are checked against the register - and the invigilator is a local person who is there to identify suspicious behaviour. Far from just anyone turning up to vote. And until you can demonstrate that it has been a problem in the past you have no argument.
The way this was announced randomly two or three days into the election campaign makes it look like it was dreamt up at very short notice.
I wonder what other mad distracting policies will the Tories announce between now and 4th July?
@ancapailldorcha
A quick Internet search.
https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/new-stats-reveal-the-number-of-children-arrested-for-terrorism-offences-is-highest-since-records-began/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/18/young-people-radicalised-online-counter-terrorism-officer
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/examining-the-warning-signs-of-online-extremism-targeting-young-people
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nikitamalik/2020/01/12/heres-why-young-people-are-vulnerable-radicalization/
https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark%3A/48223/pf0000260382
Abandoning the Rwanda policy!
Then they should get it, it isn't hard when I was 14 I had photo ID in the UK.
Youth Bus Passes are a thing, as are provisional licences, and passports.
What is wrong in requiring photo ID, when it is readily available, useful, and a very small cost.
Or are we pedeling the myth that photo ID requiments impact negatively on minority groups?
Not gonna happen…how many millions have they wasted on it already?
Heh, the reason I mentioned it is that it has already happened:
None of which you bothered to actually read.
The Home Office’s quarterly release of statistics relating to the police’s use of powers under the Terrorism Act 2000 revealed there were a total of 181 arrests for terrorism-related activity in the year ending 31 June 2021, 49 (21%) fewer than in the previous 12-month period and the lowest annual total since 2011.
We're done here.
National service, apparently.
Corbyn was a closet leaver. A lot has been said about all the bad things Corbyn would have done, but in hindsight not supporting Ukraine is the only one I think is fair.
Did anyone see Tory policy of bringing back national service for young people.
That was today.
Other potential policies:
There'll have to be some sort of anti-trans nonsense. Maybe denying care to anyone under the age of 18?
Refugee internment camps set up at the main ports of entry? That would be popular with their electorate.
Something leftfield could be banning foreign owners for UK based media companies? Sounds good to their xenophobic base, but would largely be meaningless.
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