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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 fitzgea1


    Not sure why everyone is blaming Ross Byrne. Leinster lost that game at the breakdown, a new 10 isn't gonna fix that. Players need to get to rucks quicker and not get isolated. Maybe the coaches are focusing on the wrong things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Pretty flat performance and plenty of brainless moments from players who should know better, Doris reminded me of his brain fart in the 1/4 final. The lack of leadership really showed in the 22, no ideas which is something I wouldn't expect to see from Leinster, and still not taking early points. Thats not a mistake Toulouse made. Leinster teams have been inventive and risk taking for 15 years. To me it feels like the worm has turned here and it will be hard to get this team to a higher level. The ten situation has been allowed to fester from indecision, surely for the coaches its been an obvious truth that neither HB nor RB are European winning tens and someone should have been brought in. That Ireland overlooks both is a lesson Leinster haven't learned. Unfortunately this result also gives the bounce of a ball brigade another might have won final to kid themselves with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭LostArt


    Sorry lads and ladies, that's my 4th final to attend from the last 5 so you can guess which one I missed!

    For starters Carley was Carley, we had enough possession and territory to make him a non factor. For Leinster it was another final with poor decision making and execution. The game was also a privilege to get another up close look at the greatest to ever play the game. F*ck me he's incredible.

    The sun will rise in the morning, we'll go again in the Champions Cup next season with some new coaches and players and eventually we'll get over the line in a final. When we do it will feel like winning the first one again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭Tommysocks11


    I don't like nienabar with his defensive crap and 6 2 bench splits, this leaving vdf and Ryan on bench to have a bomb squad to bring on is ridiculous too, start your best team. Leinster have gone backwards massively since stu left and I would be getting rid of mcbride too in favour of an upgrade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Whatever about technical coaching, surely Nienebar would have sent them on the pitch telling them to take the points on offer. And would have re emphasised this at half time. What the absolute fck? There is zero chance a SA team would have done what we did today. Even with a shite kicker, SA go for posts ever time. That's the most basic and unforgivable element today for me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    He's been in situ for too long, imo. I thought he would have moved into Humphries role. Whatever about previous seasons and accomplishment, he's got as far as he can with this squad. Imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I get you. To me it's not negativity. It's the way I see things from a Leinster/ Ireland perspective. The amount of nearly... nearly is such a consistent drum to beat.

    Replying to johnh6767



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I understand the scheme and the possibilities. But what irks me is chucking Hugo and Ryan into the cauldron with so little match time.

    Replying to tommysocks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Yea. Toulouse didn't really have hit top gear with our mistakes etc. It's numbing losing again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Leaving JOB out when he was in very good form was also questionable. Not sure what the 6/2 was about given Cian came in so late, did McGrath even come on? I don't think he did.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    For me this loss is now commonplace. It's like I expect it. Same with Ireland, nearlymen. On the whole, this season has been a glut of poor performances. JN has bought nothing. Goodman is imo, poor and now gets promoted to the Ireland team. Last week's crap effort in Belfast was quite telling. In past seasons, I expect Leinster to squeeze out a win. This season, it's what da fcuk.

    If they win the urc that would be nice. It would redeem a poor season. But Europe is the goal! So, I believe the season is a bust.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No game for McGrath. Why even have him on the bench if you don't trust him to play over 100 mins?

    Healy, a great servant, but also not up to the task. Only put on during extra time.

    Out half, huge problem. Just play Prendergast. If he was French he'd be starting in European matches. In Ireland we can only play him when he is 25/26 years old.

    Munster fans....morons. Saw one wearing a Toulouse beret and I asked hik why he'd support a French team over an Irish team...he told me "it's in his DNA". Embarrassing for him and the rest of them showing up to London to cheer for a French team.

    Mod warning.

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  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No game for McGrath. Why even have him on the bench if you don't trust him to play over 100 mins?

    Healy, a great servant, but also not up to the task. Only put on during extra time.

    Out half, huge problem. Just play Prendergast. If he was French he'd be starting in European matches. In Ireland we can only play him when he is 25/26 years old.

    Munster fans....morons. Saw one wearing a Toulouse beret and I asked hik why he'd support a French team over an Irish team...he told me "it's in his DNA". Embarrassing for him and the rest of them showing up to London to cheer for a French team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Any "loan" concerning Sam P, needs to be nulled. Sam should play a part for whatever remaining matches Leinster have left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭Greengrass53


    Maybe Nienaber meant 14 champions Cup games to bed in the system, 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    People saying that Leinster were wrong to not kick the points and keep going for tries because they kept getting repelled are forgetting the fact that Leinster did score 2 legitimate tries but were denied by the referee’s.
    Im sure someone will come on and say you should play the referee better and adjust your game. Nonsense, you can adjust for a ref’s interpretation but you can’t adjust for a ref getting the laws blatantly wrong or making obvious mistakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭Greengrass53




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    Not taking the points is something that irks me massively. It was evident from early on things weren't working. So why keep repeating it? "Trust the system" but the system isn't working?

    Looking at the stats. Toulouse conceded 1 more penalty than Leinster but Leinster had 8 more lineouts than Toulouse. They also had far more possession too.

    Leinster had an opportunity to pull a couple of points ahead with penalties and if they had done that, I think they start to break Toulouse down.

    There seemed to be a lot of TV footage focus on the Leinster coaching team. These guys are incredible rugby players and I genuinely struggled to understand why they kept going to the corner. If it was the captain making that call, then the management team should step in and tell them to take 3 points on offer. If it was a directive from the management team to keep doing so then the blame lies with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭johnh6767




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭The Guru 123


    Didn’t see yesterdays game and to be honest don’t watch much rugby but when I do I’m amazed at how often teams turn down 3 points in favour of what seems a very outside shot at 5/7. I struggle to think if you ran the numbers on these it would stack up to say you should be going to the corner as often as they do.

    I read the report that said Leinster did this a few times yesterday. It seems crazy to me. What makes it worse is even if you miss the 3 points you’re basically guaranteed the ball back in the oppositions half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Joe touched the ball and it went (slightly) forward before JGP threw the pass. They’re the margins! Correct decision unfortunately.

    What a game. One of the best I’ve been to. Toulouse well deserved winners. They were ahead all game and Leinster were always chasing. Kinghorn kicked like a dream and Dupont was unbelievable. Huge credit to Leinster who kept plugging away when the little margins weren’t going their way. Frawley so close to winning it at the end of the 80. Jaysus sport can be cruel but still a trophy there to be won this year so not as disappointing as last year.

    Really impressed by the Tottenham stadium. Facilities were superb which is usually a big stumbling part for many stadiums where you have a queue for 15mins for a pee or a beer! Really enjoyable day despite coming out on the wrong side but onwards and upwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    The stadium was unreal. Really puts the Aviva and even Croker to shame with its facilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Leinster kept Toulouse tryless for 80 minutes. That's a major accomplishment that now seems pointless after failing to win.

    The game was there to be won in regulation time rather than extra time too. We had 12 entries to their 22 in the first half alone, but only came away with 6 points. We turned down at least two shots at the posts in that half from what I remember.

    This loss will hurt for a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭✭A-Train


    A long day of travel yesterday with my 9 year old and 74 year old father, a great day over there bar the result.

    Once again a match of fine balances that Leinster have come out the wrong side of. Just once I would love for that balance to tip our way.

    I can’t see how they get themselves up for the remainder of the season. I said it at full time that they look so blunt and clueless at this moment in time.

    Such is sport but I think that this generation of players are really heading into the nearly men category, good but can’t get the job done when pressure comes on. Whether that is down to the players, the coaching or the systems is a different story but it’s mostly a combination of all.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This loss feels the worst of the lot, because it felt self-inflicted.

    The pundits were calling it a one score game, the bookies had the handicap -1 pt. And then you finish level after 80 mins but look back and one team chose to turn down at least two kickable penalties.

    On a more trivial note, maybe it's time to consider amending the thread title.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Right from the start of his appointment I was puzzled by this move. Reflect on the last time Ireland played South Africa. That Irish team, mainly composed of Leinster players and who play very much in the vein of Leinster under Lancaster , won a tight game and rarely looked like losing.

    There were numerous passages of play in the Toulouse 22 yesterday that in the past you would have put your house on Leinster scoring. Instead, they looked disjointed and panicked and blew chance after chance. Their timing was way off. It seems that they may not do those drills that led to them being able to tear opponents apart with speed and accuracy. They dropped balls that weren't really difficult takes. They threw mistimed and speculative and at times daft passes that just cost territory. I don't see Neinaber's thumbprint on any new style that is in any way an improvement on what has gone before. I do see a significant decline in the attacking cohesion that we were used to viewing. If Leinster have exchanged the 'Lancaster' blueprint for the dull and less effective 'Nieneaber' lack of style, then they have bought a pup. Baby and bathwater springs to mind and all Irish rugby fans will be poorer……even those who wanted Toulouse to win…bizarrely. I am an Ulster supporter but want to see all 4 provinces be successful. I enjoy them winning unless of course it is against Ulster.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    So onto the Connacht game , who will we see?

    probaby,Russell,Ringrose,Ngati,Lowe,Harry ( hope its Frawley) Foley, Healy, Keheller , Mike, Moloney, Ryan/ Deeny,Deegan,Penny ,Conan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I have a lot of time for Harry Byrne in general. Showed huge promise at a younger age before injuries derailed him for a few years.

    Has played well this season in big Champions Cup games as well. But the games against the Lions and then the Stormers have really set him back. Was terrible in both and when Prendergast was subbed in there was no noticeable drop in the sides performance. He's just so inconsistent.

    If the rumours about Prendergast going on loan are false then we should really consider starting him in more game next season. Both Byrnes have their weaknesses which, at this stage of their careers, they probably can't improve upon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,640 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Need to fast track new half backs. Playing mcgrath in particular is a waste of time. The coaches clearly don't actually want to play him so might as well prioritise Foley and Gunne. Even if they're not as good or liable to make mistakes now, they need to make the investment.

    Having a fresh scrum half to lift the tempo in the last quarter is really important. Mcgrath on the bench and not using him at all over 100minutes shows a failure of development



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