Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

You made an accusation, and where asked about it.
Who was telling you 'on here' that polls were 'worthless'?

Nope just mostly nonsense tit for tat from posters needling one another here in the politics forum who used do the same in the current affairs forum untill one of them got forum banned and moved back here instead followed swiftly by the rabble who revolve around said poster poking each other

They need to get a room and let the Adults get on with the actual debate

Posting tit for tat solely to get a rise out of one another is not debate

I don't think there was a 'dilemma' to begin with.
Question is the same as it was after the last GE.
Does either of FF or FG want to continue in coalition - which seems to be harming one and keeping the other stagnant - or do they want to try something new. Or can SF lead a government that does not have either of the parties that power swapped between since the foundation of the state?

Position has not changed.

Not another one who thinks you can talk about forming a government here without mentioning the incumbents.
Those are the two ways in which SF can form a government.
They haven't changed since GE 2020

Tell us what the options are then Clo. That’s all I did.

Why do people say "FF and FG have swapped power for 100 years" as if that fact in itself is some inherent wrong? I don't mean in a sense of policy, but it's said as though FF and FG keep staying in government against the will of the public.

From 1927 until 2016 FF and FG (or CnaG) won the most and second most seats in every election, with their combined vote share varying between 60-80% until they combined to get 50% after the crash and 40% in 2020.

What alternative do they suggest should have happened to keep FF and FG out of power? Should Labour have been running the country when 15% was a good result for them for nearly all their history?

If people were sick of FF and FG for 100 years, they didn't express it at the ballot box until lately, and even at their current historic lows the 2 are within spitting distance of a majority between them.

Dancing on the pinhead.

Yeh, the difference between a poll and a General Election is a 'pinhead'.

'that power swapped between'.

 If you understand grammar it's a fairly benign statement of fact. If I'd written, 'They swapped power between them' that would validate your complaint.
There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but it did lead to a cosiness and sham fighting to appear different when they weren't really anymore.

It led to situations where the likes of Enda Kenny could promise a new politics with no intention of delivering it, knowing that it would not do any long term damage.

*I get that I phrased it wrong in the past, but once I understood that I changed how I phrased it. Maybe you should review your understanding of it.

Terrible debating to be honest.
Having to invent stuff people are saying is not a good place to be.
Refusing to back up what you are claiming again and again, not a good look either.

We are talking in the context of polls and based on that we are speculating about the formation of the next government.

Its the entire basis of the thread FFS!

You know this.

I know this.

So stop playing silly games about being pedantic about every single thing.

Just because SF is shedding support according to polls, aint my problem. Perhaps reflect on the why.

You responded to a post where I corrected somebody who claimed SF 'are shedding votes'.
They aren't.
Are they falling in the polls, yes, some of them and they are rising in others.

Nobody is disagreeing with your point on the polls Mark.

And I explained I had in the past used the term incorrectly.

But it is my opinion (sorry you disagree with it) that the fact that power swapped between just two parties (through no sinister manipulating or fault of their own) led to the situation we have had for quite a while. Two parties who are essentially the same, in a cozy relationship which has led to a level of toxicity in Irish politics and governance.

It would consign them to opposition again untill at least 2030 on recent trends as the current government would get reelected though wouldn't it

I doubt the greens would have any hassle ok'ing another agreement given their success in implimenting what they wanted and the FG and FF leadership do prefer a continuation dont they,its extremely unlikely their conventions would vote that down either now isnt it,lets be realistic

Look, I know it is your habit to mis-represent what has been said.
I quite clearly said that I don't use 'powerswap' any longer and clarified what I mean't by it.

If you can't cope with somebody accepting they wrongly used a term, that is your issue.

Now if you genuinely want to understand what I mean about 'a level of toxicity', scroll back a few posts and read what I said about Enda Kenny etc.