Higher TCO.
More spoof.
A hybrid works as token gesture. Whatever the merits of this, it's still a thing of value to some.
It also works if you can do a lot of driving within the range of the battery and do regular long trips where you don't want to charge.
An example would be someone who drives locally all week then goes on long drive at the weekend out of range of convenient charging.
For me one of the main reasons for wanting an EV is not to have to maintain an engine. A hybrid doesn't give me that. For example.
Your statements applies equally to sweating the most money out of the existing assets and developments of combustion drivetrains. The key difference being that 2025 represents a cliff edge in emissions standards. A sane manufacturer would sell as many combustion cars as they can get away with in 2024 when they know they need to up sales to around 25% BEV from 2025.
I think this is much more likely than your idea that people have suddenly realised (co-incidentally at a time of many media articles) that EVs aren't suitable for reasons which are so easily dismissible by those who regularly use them.
We're over the EV format wars, it's CCS and Batteries, the exact battery chemistry isn't something an individual needs to worry about.
indeed yet is used as proof of FUD, it would genuinely boggle the mind.
What told me that bevs were not working out too good was carnage and chaos at the chargers in cashel in at Christmas 2022. I saw that (smugly) with my own two eyes from my phev on way from cork to centerparcs. i think people are giving the media too much credit!
ah yes, the odd queue at a refueling station, wouldnt happen to ICE cars
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/traffic-chaos-circle-k-flash-31674774
Here fishy fishy. 🤣
You must be very bored having to resort to trolling BEV owners. Badly.
not at all. I think there reactions from Bev owners to criticisms of their cars curious though.
I think hybrid is a doomed technology even though I dropped 100k on two of them in 12 mths. Not offended in the least when people say BEV is the future. All I ever say is for now there is no convincing argument to buy one. They don’t all go on fire, many can live with them pain free, but same as with a Tucson or Yaris cross for less money and less constraints.
that’s all the media is saying I think.
And with that I am done with this thread.
Lol. And more little hooks for the unsuspecting fishies. "They don't all go on fire" 🤣
I remember Cashel 2022. The horror, Oh the humanity!!! 😂
you fine the reactions curious when you post nonsense, strange that,
cheerio !
Was not a post yesterday showing a Tucson is more expensive than a Tesla EV
I love the charging queue angle. Imagine walking up every morning with a full tank. Oh, wait a minute.
I estimate that I have saved around 6 hours from pointless visits to the service station where I inevitably buy some junk too. In the past 10 months, I've travelled just under 23,000km and spent a whole 45 mins at public chargers (3 times and never a queue).
He might have felt smug that one time. Imagine the feeling of driving by a service station and the prices are going up, and up, and up...
Does time spent in the supermarket doing your weekly shopping whilst simultaneously charging your car count as time wasted charging? Or having a meal at the same time?
Because if it doesn't I've wasted zero time charging.
Depends on who you ask. A sensible person would say no.
An EV hater would say you could have set the car park on fire, and that you're car has such abysmal range that you can't even go shopping without charging. Then they'll tell you all about the damage that lithium mining is doing to the Congo, or perhaps it's Sudan, or Somalia. Then admonishing you about your bad environmental choices because their diesel is so much cleaner.
To correct the record the car was a phev. Traded in since for another one. The one bought in jan has burnt €100 of petrol to date. It runs pretty much exclusively on home charging with practically all the benefits of a Bev and no disadvantages. my hypothesis is that PHEVs are the ideal compromise.
"It runs pretty much exclusively on home charging with practically all the benefits of a Bev and no disadvantages."
Other than carrying around that large engine. Maintenance of that engine. Risk of ICE issues on that engine. Having to fuel it too.
I'm in a 530e so no point dressing up the PHEV lifesyle either.
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Good one!! I fell hook, line and sinker... I actually thought you were serious.
the rav has a useful ev range. Weighs the same as a Bev. Maintenance is negligible, and the power train is well proven and pretty much bullet proof. Fuel is small change.
I thought you were done with the thread? Glad to see you back so soon.
On the PHEV debate, I had a 2018 530e with the smaller battery so not a great example of a phev by today's standards, I was constantly battling to use electric as much as possible, in the end it was about 50/50 but it wrecked my head constantly, but a longer range phev say 80kms I'd consider it alongside a BEV when coming to change cars in the future. It would come down to which car I liked best and price then.
At the moment there's no PHEV doing it for me that has that kind of range reliably, Audi A6 and A7 would be about the only ones I desire but range too low in current model. Maybe the next one.
Id use very little combustion fuel at that kind of range
So basically all the pitfalls of an ICE then 🤷
there isn’t many. A good ic engine and transmission will do 300k without needing much. I think in my motoring career I have needed a one dmf on a Ford tdci and one fead pulley on a bmw n47 (even though it was a debacle of an engine by all accounts). Generally the car is gone before the drivetrain.
Anyway I’m being dragged back in.
so what you are saying is you don't need a hybrid.
let it go.
if you are going to hang around despite already flouncing off you should be prepared to engage in sensible debate. Why does someone who only used 100 euro of petrol this year need a phev?
if that was the case people would happily buy used cars with 200,000 miles safe in the knowledge they have another 100k worth of trouble free motoring.
Because there is no downside to it, and it has the flexibility of not requiring the reliance on the public charging infrastructure.
I have had two cars reach 250k miles with no issues, the 2.5 Toyota hybrid is known to be particularly indestructible and is fitted to almost every nyc taxi on the road now. Trucks regularly do 1m miles. I have a John Deere with 11k hours (assume about 350k miles equivalent) and it should do 30k before needing an overhaul.
Still here...
Its like an Eskimo boasting about buying a fridge.
