So no Irish cars then under current setup.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla just started selling the LHD versions here, they're already doing that with the Model S
Not gonna happen. Tesla might have found a few rich, die hard Tesla fanbois who bought the LHD Model S / Model X, but this plan won't work for econoboxes like Model 3 and Model Y that are simply bought for their merit / value for money, not because of the badge.
Are you asking why Tesla haven't made changes to where their manufacturing is performed based on potential tariff increases that haven't yet been announced? Any likely changes to where Irish Tesla's are supplied from will come when the tariff changes are confirmed. From deliveries to the UK (as per @ELM327) it looks they already have RHD production capability in Berlin. Why do you think they'd continue to supply Ireland from China and pay the higher tariff?
They aren't making RHD Model S/X anywhere, they have started producing RHD Model Y's in Berlin for the UK. Why remove that capability?
I don't ... and never stated that.
This is weird, you misread my opening comment and continued to misread from there.
Anyway Tesla are not currently setup to handle for this impact if Europe follows suit selling into Ireland.
According to 1 poster here..
Not currently but they could easily pivot to produce in Berlin. The rumor of berlin based cars for UK was a rumor on the UK owners club page.
Based on the deliveries to the UK coming from Berlin they are able to build RHD cars in Berlin, I'd say that means they are setup to handle the impact of any tariff changes that are applied to cars produced in China.
Not sure why you're so focused on Tesla not doing something until it needs to be done.
I'm not is a discussion forum. 1 question turned into a back and forth with you. 🤷. Simply because you had no read my original post. Enjoy !.. I think 🫡
Yeah I know, I was half joking. I don't think Tesla would actually do that
However, I still wouldn't be surprised if it actually happened
My understanding is that the EU might have to think about what additional tariffs to apply
1.European auto manufacturers make a significant part of their income from selling their cars In China. This income I know is reducing but can they afford to go without it in total?
2. EVS will likely get more expensive in Europe reducing take up further due to the lack of competition and choice - especially for cheap EVS. This IMO will have a devastating impact on EU transport and emissions.
You wanted to know how it would impact brands that currently ship their cars from China, I suggested brands will move their production to Europe such as BYD are already doing. For Tesla they already produce EU LHD cars in Europe and have apparently already started producing some RHD.
The only confusing bit was your original post which was a reply to someone talking about the US tariffs, so it looked like you were asking how US tariffs would apply to Chinese cars coming to the EU, but you cleared that up in the 2nd post.
You keeping making the point that the current Tesla setup for RHD cars would fall foul of any tariff change, that's kind of the point of any proposed tariff to encourage manufacturers to produce in the EU instead.
I'd be more interested in the impact on Geely (Volvo) and SAIC (MG) vehicles. Both MG and Volvo have been talking about EU production, but it may take them a bit longer to get their factories up and running.
if not for discussions the forum would die a very quick death. Literally dead. Your own interjection there is an example of saying something and saying nothing. But without it we all wouldn't be here. So it's valuable.
Boards is alive by nonsense conversations sprinkled in amongst good topical discussions.
Be well
It really is more of a fence. Although you seem to take o fence.
Can we make sure the wall you're arguing with has a charge point attached, otherwise it might be considered off-topic
In general the EU has less of a protectionist stance than the US at the moment, largely because the EU is more dependent on exports in general
However, China is a much smaller market for the EU than it has been, largely down to an increased desire to buy Chinese made products there
So it could go either way I reckon
I do agree that this could impact EV adoption here by driving up prices again, even if the Chinese brands setup manufacturing bases here
Looks like we might have an answer soon enough
https://www.electrive.com/2024/05/15/eu-plans-punitive-tariffs-of-up-to-30-per-cent-on-electric-cars-from-china/
Apparently 30% will level the playing field as opposed to being an effective ban like the US has done
I'm not so convinced, there's been reports that 50% duty would be needed to erode Chinese brands cost advantage
There's also a major price war going on in China with several brands losing money on each sale. It's possible that even with the tariffs they could break even in the EU market, which is more attractive than a significant loss
In any case, things are getting interesting
Just found out today my uncle had a home charger fitted and got approved for the grant of 600 just before Xmas 23 but never actually claimed the grant. Now, 5 months later, is he still ok to claim it or will it have expired? Or dropped to 300 at least?
6 months AFAIR so should be good
The date it expires should be on the letter he got. As long as he sends in the docs before then he should get the full grant.
Read a headline earlier that Ford US lost $100k on each EV manufactured last year. No wonder the US needs massive tariffs to prop up its domestic brands. Unless Ford gets its act together quickly the tariffs will only delay the inevitable
There must be some weird accounting going on if they lost that much on each, surely?
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It seems they're taking all the investment costs over a number of years and applying it all to Q1 2024 sales to come to that figure.
Yeah you'd be right.
Write down of patent values, plant and equipment depreciation, inflated corporate salaries, legal issues, all the above could be included. Total loss divided by vehicles produced, something like that.
It wouldn't be a marginal loss per unit of production, i.e if we produce 1 more EV we will lose an extra 100k. That would mean variable costs of producing 1 extra unit would be in the region of 150k, which it couldn't possibly be.
Was this announced at their AGM on May 11th last week?
Anyone has an idea what's wrong with ESB charger's map? I remember there are ESB chargers on Applegreen service stations on M4, both directions. So says Applegreen webpage on the net. However, map shows there's none.
There are no longer ESB units here, only Applegreen chargers.
Fwiw as others have said the kitchen sink of EV investment to date is lumped into costs
https://m.economictimes.com/industry/renewables/ford-losing-100000-per-every-electric-vehicle-report/articleshow/110151038.cms
Thanks. Will stop for charging in Kinnegad instead. ;-)
OH's Kona's normal max charging speed is 50-55Kw no matter what charger speed. Recently used Tesla charger for first time, 70kw.. and kept at it until just over 80% charged, any idea why the difference?
