Just as a fyi
"...Leaks in the fuel system are the most common cause of vehicle fires, …"
Strangely enough, diesel is more flammable than petrol. It's the petrol fumes that are explosively flammable, the liquid not so much. When you think about it, a petrol engine needs compression and ignition, a diesel engine just needs heat and compression.
I suspect a petrol hybrid is far more likely to catch fire than a diesel (which may not even ignite if you stuffed a burning rag into the fuel tank!!!)
cool that's not even close to the question I asked you though. But while we are on it do you not have the same concerns of your hybrid?
my understanding is that if they go on fire they are hard to deal with. If there are in a crash and the high tension cables are shorted things can go south quick.
The suggestion they spontaneously combust is not borne out by experience as far as I know.
Statistically there isn't.
The only battery here is the battering your giving to any credibility you might have had.
would you agree that there is a false perception amongst Joe public that evs are more likely to go on fire despite that being factually incorrect?
just saying the cause of the fire was the by all accounts the fan resistor an electrical component. Most vehicle fires I know of were caused by the wiring. The method of propulsion did not figure, there is though an argument that the more battery the more chance of fire.
Certainly a lot of hot air from team Fud.
Or they could just remove the AC units and that will lighten them enough so that the car park doesn't collapse.
Guess it's time to ban all cars with air conditioning from car parks then
Lol.
the argument here cuts both ways. There fire was started by the hvac system in the zafira; so it was an electrical fire.
It's definitely a trip of a lifetime, but I spent three years of my life there but I'd happily do a few years in an electric RV touring around Europe. RV have more surface area for solar so I can well imagine it becoming a future trend.
Fairly sure that cork fire was started by a diesel Zafira. But I get the point you are making. Ironically enough the examiner were very slow at jumping to conclusions claiming "it has yet to be established if the vehicle at the centre of this incident was a model involved in the recalls"
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30959872.html
I drove all the way around, and into, Australia in the last century. But we were in a Camry so didn't leave the sealed road unless we had to. If I get a chance to do it again, it will be in an electric RV.
Hypermile behind a road train ..
The sheer distances force you to plan nearly every trip beyond suburban sprawl, and its not just the long distances involved. One of the things that really put me off that Nullarbor trip at the time was the road had actually been cut sporadically by fire, so you had to factor in such events putting extra days on your journey.
Suburban Oz is perfect for EVs, anything beyond that is an adventure, for ICE and EVs!
Anti EV - The only car fire I've ever witnessed was when the petrol diesel car went on fire inside a high rise car park in Douglas Cork.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41390773.html
Edited: Diesel not Petrol
Remember watching a documentary about a cyclist crossing some of those areas in OZ it was a struggle to carry enough water.
That second link is amazing as I had contemplated crossing the Nullarbor once but even in an combustion car the planning involved just put me off it. I don't think the road was finally sealed until the 1980s.
I met a good few aussies in Perth who would think nothing of loading up a few jerry cans and driving unsealed trails for days just to get away from the noise of the city, which is funny considering they'd also bring a noisy jenny to get aircon in their tent!
Then you have to factor the % of EVs in the total number of cars on the road and it's like (as stated earlier) 1-3%.
So any car park would have tiny % of EVs relative to ICE vehicles.
It's a nonsense article.
Unlimited outback range, especially suited to Australia :)
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/07/08/teslas-solar-trailer-for-range-extension/
For the main highways there's no problem driving an EV inter-city.
https://thedriven.io/2023/02/21/atto-gals-epic-electric-adventure-from-perth-to-sydney-and-back-in-a-byd-electric/
Well like for like would it not be an ID3? And the kerb weight for that is 1.8 tonnes.
As for the weight difference, maybe Chinese people are lighter than Europeans on average? Like Dutch people are on average the tallest people in the world.
I'd imagine a good bit of weight increase is stronger superstructure. My wife had a first Hyundai Accent model that was on sale in Ireland, and then a year or so later I bought the second model Accent and the difference between the two was unnerving. Her one felt like a feather in comparison.
Golf: Kerb weight (kg): 1,428 - plus 50kg for fuel = 1478kg
MG4: Kerb weight (kg): 1,655kg
10% difference… I'm not sure how the gross weight for the MG4 is 5% heavier than the Golf, but 10% heavier when it comes to kerb weight… do heavier people drive the MG4 or perhaps they carry heavier luggage 😅
Anyhow 5-10% is not a huge difference in a very like-for-like comparison. Not as much as it's being made out to be.
Gross vehicle weight is with people and fuel in it. Along with luggage I think. So from a car park pov, it has to be kerb weight with fuel in.
Think we need to face it hardcore environmentalists do not want the general public owning cars. No matter how green and efficient manufacturers make cars they will always find faults.
Fair enough. I looked and compared the MG4 to the Golf, and there is little difference.
The Gross vehicle weight of the Golf is 1930kg and the MG4 is 2103kg. The golf has a 50L tank so with that full, the weight would be 1980kg vs 2103kg - this equates to about a 5% difference.
I chose those 2 as the MG4 is only 47mm wider and 4mm longer, so they're almost the same size. Specs below: https://www.carzone.ie/new-cars/volkswagen/Golf/20-TDI-150HP-RLINE/802532020230901 https://www.carzone.ie/new-cars/mg/MG4/BEV-51KWH-125KW-EXCITE-STANDARD-RANGE/834520420230401
Is this whole anti EV media thing mostly emanating from the US?
I follow an Australian youtube car review channel that gets a lot of Asian brands that we'll probably never see and I haven't seen any such spin. Maybe they're just more practical about vehicles with their clear demarcation between outback and urban needs.
As is ICE vehicles often have to carry spare fuel outside the urban population centres so EV network is only ever a urban conversation there.
