I wonder what would happen if a XC90 ran into cortina. Which would you choose to be in.
There wasn’t too many XC90s running into cortinas in the 70s. New cars are undeniably safer. There were 4x the road deaths in the 70s despite far fewer cars and a much smaller population. They are twice the size though, that’s an absolute fact.
Classic example of anti EV article. Misrepresenting facts to feed the fud hysteria.
ICE cars are also heavier and bigger.
But the safety, roadholding, breaking, performance of modern cars is light years better. Try a 1970s car on a busy fast moving M50 or 120kph motorway and see how they get on.
It's disingenuous reporting.
EVs on average are heavier, maybe because they are bigger cars on average also.
It’s a fun game pretending everything is fud, but there is only so much mileage in it. Having owned an early 70s car (in recent times) I would be of the view modern cars are inferior to drive, there is no joy in driving a 2ton dead lump with a whirring motor and electric power steering.
My 1970s car (a 2.0 capri) had about 140bhp and was well able for modern traffic.
The headline and subhead single out EVs in particular when this is a factor with all modern cars. Average SUV kerb weight is around 1.5 tonnes compared to the 700-800kg 1970s car. And since these make up the vast majority of the fleet (60%), the average extra 25% weight of EVs (2.5%) is negligible in comparison. So yeah, FUD.
We may as well see articles how about how much damage is done to cars now from minor accidents compared to 1970's models. Cars have gotten bigger since we decided to move surround the passenger compartment with an energy absorbing crumple zone instead of having the car fold in on the passenger. It would be impossible to build Issigonis Mini to modern safety standards.
No problem accepting it as a fact if the article wasn't so poorly written (aka crock of sh1te). It's all over the place with no thread of continuity, development of point/argument. It's like some lad went down to the pub for the night, had a few pints and scribbled down some stuff that came into his head on small pieces of paper. Got up in the morning and assembled them in no particular order for a media post.
The point is the car parks were built in the 60s and 70s. Hence the comparison with cars of that era.
I wonder will a capri be well able for diesel XC90 hitting it at motorway speeds.
There are modern coupes like a Cayman, BMW M2 etc.
Often the weight difference is 3-5 people between an EV and ICE. Obviously they realised this isn't a story. So they had to go back half a century to get a significant disparity in weight. Then ignore that it also applies to ICE as well.
If car parks have a layout designed for car from 50yrs ago they've only themselves to blame. They should mark it out for modern cars. That will reduce the number of spaces, and number of cars and thus the weight.
As a cynic I'd say, to drum up business for a structural engineer with a specialisation in car park design, particularly with regard to retrofits.
It's Newstalk.
Every day on twitter they post deliberately provocative posts to get engagement.
It will either be EV's or immigrants. And like night follows day they will get the usual bunch of head the balls posting nonsense in the replies.
It's like a maths question from primary school and they got it wrong.
If 100 cars fit in a field. Then you make the cars 50% bigger. How many now fit in the field.
journalist - EVs cause fields to collapse and explode like a every car chase and crash scene from movies.
Weight doesn't equal size.
Some of 'em have ramps and spaces only really wide enough for a BL Mini or Mk1 Escort, too! Tallaght hospital multistorey car park is an abomination. Plenty of multicoloured scrapes on the ramp walls. Can't be fixed either without demolishing the whole thing. And this one was built in the 90s.
Except most people in Ireland in the 70s were driving VWs, Minis, Renault 4s, 1.1 Escorts… there would have been only a handful of 2 litre Capris on the roads here.
I wasn't the one who said..."....they are bigger cars on average also..."
I fell in love with one in a magazine back in 1979. Asked my poor father could we get that next instead of a 2nd hand 127. At that age all cars cost the same.
M15
I remember in the 80s being taken to primary school in a neighbours Ford Capri.
It was a ball ache for a 5 year old getting into the back seats, can only imagine how difficult it was for adults to get in. Must have been a death trap in a crash.
The body roll on that Triumph 2500. 🤣
When they compare the weight of an EV to an ICE, does the weight of the ICE include a full tank? A full battery doesn't weigh anymore than an empty one, but a full 60L tank would weigh about 60kg more.
Official kerb weights don't include fuel afaik. But it's not a huge difference. The ubiquitous SUV in the shape of a Qashqai, Kadjar etc. weigh about 1.6 tonnes empty. Most EVs in the same size range are closer to 2 tonnes.
Is this whole anti EV media thing mostly emanating from the US?
I follow an Australian youtube car review channel that gets a lot of Asian brands that we'll probably never see and I haven't seen any such spin. Maybe they're just more practical about vehicles with their clear demarcation between outback and urban needs.
As is ICE vehicles often have to carry spare fuel outside the urban population centres so EV network is only ever a urban conversation there.
Fair enough. I looked and compared the MG4 to the Golf, and there is little difference.
The Gross vehicle weight of the Golf is 1930kg and the MG4 is 2103kg. The golf has a 50L tank so with that full, the weight would be 1980kg vs 2103kg - this equates to about a 5% difference.
I chose those 2 as the MG4 is only 47mm wider and 4mm longer, so they're almost the same size. Specs below: https://www.carzone.ie/new-cars/volkswagen/Golf/20-TDI-150HP-RLINE/802532020230901 https://www.carzone.ie/new-cars/mg/MG4/BEV-51KWH-125KW-EXCITE-STANDARD-RANGE/834520420230401
Think we need to face it hardcore environmentalists do not want the general public owning cars. No matter how green and efficient manufacturers make cars they will always find faults.
Gross vehicle weight is with people and fuel in it. Along with luggage I think. So from a car park pov, it has to be kerb weight with fuel in.
Golf: Kerb weight (kg): 1,428 - plus 50kg for fuel = 1478kg
MG4: Kerb weight (kg): 1,655kg
10% difference… I'm not sure how the gross weight for the MG4 is 5% heavier than the Golf, but 10% heavier when it comes to kerb weight… do heavier people drive the MG4 or perhaps they carry heavier luggage 😅
Anyhow 5-10% is not a huge difference in a very like-for-like comparison. Not as much as it's being made out to be.
I'd imagine a good bit of weight increase is stronger superstructure. My wife had a first Hyundai Accent model that was on sale in Ireland, and then a year or so later I bought the second model Accent and the difference between the two was unnerving. Her one felt like a feather in comparison.
Well like for like would it not be an ID3? And the kerb weight for that is 1.8 tonnes.
As for the weight difference, maybe Chinese people are lighter than Europeans on average? Like Dutch people are on average the tallest people in the world.
Unlimited outback range, especially suited to Australia :)
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/07/08/teslas-solar-trailer-for-range-extension/
For the main highways there's no problem driving an EV inter-city.
https://thedriven.io/2023/02/21/atto-gals-epic-electric-adventure-from-perth-to-sydney-and-back-in-a-byd-electric/
