Not only is it workable, with today's technologies it's easily doable.
Payment to bank account is actually an excellent option and made me think of our automated tolling system. I should be able to setup an account and then with a pin deposit to the account, no faff at all. That would be much more workable
Dog ate my homework is the only reason that could work there, the rest are just avoidance with no valid basis
It might or might not end up being a success. The true measure is the percentage of cans/bottles returned & collected, compared to the same figure before the scheme was introduced. So far that figure is a secret. I'm sure we'd be hearing all about it if the rate was better now than before the scheme.
Any bets on why figures are being released, but not a comparison? Buzzword Bingo options include "GDPR", "Commercial sensitivities", "Dog ate my homework".
As I said before, people got too caught up in a newpaper report. And I said to wait for a few years to see if our system matures into something like Norway and Germany. The transition period is not even up yet. DRS seem to be slow with press releases, but in their last one on 31 March they identified that our scheme is doing well in comparison to what happened in Slovakia. Which I think was the most recent EU adoptee prior to ours.
Benchmarking Success in the Early Stages
At this early stage, Re-turn’s performance is tracking well against similar deposit return schemes in the EU. Slovakia, with a Scheme launched in January 2022, serves as a close benchmark due to comparable models and population sizes.
In its first month, Slovakia collected 264,000 containers, while Ireland returned 2 million. By their second month, Slovakia had reached 8 million containers, a figure Ireland surpassed with over 10 million containers by March 18, highlighting the Scheme’s early success.
Ciaran Foley, CEO of Re-turn, commented on consumer support and the levels of returns over the last few weeks: “The support of consumers nationwide is really positive and as more Re-turn logo products enter circulation, we are seeing high return numbers that will only continue to grow as we all become more accustomed to the Scheme.”
Thats a very very very weak piece of logic. It wouldn't account for the millions upon millions of unaccounted for containers at this point.
There's not many containers that last in this house beyond a fortnight and it's so far usually a once a month trip to the local shop to burn some diesel and time to get my money back, if that even happens.
Coca-Cola article
Zoran Bogdanovic, chief executive of Coca-Cola HBC, told analysts last week that it could take “several quarters until the market, meaning consumers, adjusts to the new reality”. He added that the “typical reaction … is that there is a slowdown”. However, Bogdanovic said the company was confident the scheme would not be a barrier to its continuing growth trajectory here.
Zoran Bogdanovic, chief executive of Coca-Cola HBC, told analysts last week that it could take “several quarters until the market, meaning consumers, adjusts to the new reality”.
He added that the “typical reaction … is that there is a slowdown”. However, Bogdanovic said the company was confident the scheme would not be a barrier to its continuing growth trajectory here.
Time will tell. Not sure Zoran appreciates the reality of Re-Turn. Maybe he's been told it's the same scheme as everywhere else.
Yeah option of payment to bank account should be included for those that want it.
The last thing I want is machines that dispense cash to be honest, another reason for them to be shutdown when they run out.
all government have to do to fix this is have **** machines that dispense real cash
I gave up the coke zero,used to pay between 10e and 14e on average for 24 cans,now its 20e for 18 including deposit.greens will get no votes from me,Assinine Smyth can get lost.
Those capitalist running dogs want me to pay €12 to read that. I got a few lines from another source. Mid single digits is not a massive hit.
"Sales of Coca-Cola have decreased following the introduction of the deposit return scheme. In a trading update for the first quarter of the year, Coca-Cola HBC, which bottles and sells Coke, Fanta and Monster Energy in 28 countries, said that volumes here “decreased by mid-single digits, as consumers adjusted to the.."
In Coca Colas case it is not just the deposit. They cynically at same time as deposits introduced jacked up prices by reducing pack size of cans.
People going to switch to own brand / reduce purchases or go soda stream route.
Yeah I think the government should have invested more money into this to give exactly the kind of kids you’re talking about more incentive to actually search for bottles, it should have incentivised profit making at least for the first 6 months. The government despise the homeless and the working class man and profiteering/entrepreneurship. They wouldn’t dare allow them or anyone to somehow make money off this scheme or fund a jobless lifestyle picking up plastic bottles on the streets (the way it is in Germany currently). You should be given real, universal money for returning your bottles but no they want you to pay tax, own nothing and be happy.
I think this tax will have the opposite intended effect. Coca Cola have already taken a massive hit in sales over here https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irelands-deposit-return-scheme-takes-fizz-out-of-coca-cola-k3nmp85b8
What will happen is people will start boycotting plastic bottles and it will really hurt the small business owners, the supermarkets and the suppliers. Can see them either lobbying for an end to this deposit return fiasco or viciously price gouging, either way it’s gonna hurt the working class man much more than it would the upper middle class green voter.
This will need to be sorted by 1st June as we are still in transition: raise it with the consumer watch dog
ask@ccpc.ie
https://www.ccpc.ie/consumers/consumers-home/contact/
I've read everything you have said about the DRS. If you want to add more, then I am all ears/eyes.
OK as I thought you don't want to read what I think about DRS.
In the interest of harmony let's leave it at that.
I don't have an ignore list because I find it interferes with the narrative of a thread.
I want to discuss the DRS with other people who accept the scheme has short comings, not go back and forth constantly with one individual who will defend the scheme at all costs. If you don't want to read my opinions, I advise you to add me to your ignore list.
Do you want to discuss DRS or just use this as a bulletin board for your opinions ?
The deposit should be displayed on the shelf sticker.
The full retail price of the meal + 15 cent deposit.
I was caught out the other day getting a lunch "meal deal" of sandwich, crisps and a drink for €6.95 only to be charged €7.10 at the till.
Is this expected and/or common?
I would really hate if we are going to be like the US where the displayed price isn't what you actually pay due to various taxes.
My theoretical micro-brewery could have the same issue when I have to include an ingredient list in Croatian or Portuguese when I want to export there
Yes, but you can decide whether or not to export there. You can plan well in advance and the next time you get cans printed you can add the warnings or the ingredients in Croatian. You are not going to lose money from it.
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/b3f2f-minister-smyth-launches-irelands-deposit-return-scheme/ - Publish date November 2022. That is just 18 months ago.
And if you are Heineken you will be sending big gifts to the Government thanking them for MUP. Price fixing at it's best!
Full article for whoever wants to read it.
The Commission will give the IPRA an idea of where they stand. Like I already stated they may tell IPRA to get a judgement in the member state and come back to them. Id imagine the reason for the label change and the botched implementation of the associated scheme could be relevant.
Yes agreed. It's clearly an easier task to comply for Heineken than for AJ & Son micro brewers. It costs my small company comparatively more.
But crucially that has never been seen as a problem as long as the rules and regulations apply to all equally. My theoretical micro-brewery could have the same issue when I have to include an ingredient list in Croatian or Portuguese when I want to export there, or put Drinken Beeren Responsiblaten on German exports. So you may rail against the unfairness of it, but absolutely nothing to suggest it would be a winning case.
And it disproportionately affects smaller markets such as Ireland, where producers are more likely to just not supply to those markets due to the increasing costs.
And look at what is ahead of them in 2026. Still I don't think it will be much trouble to them. They often produce special runs and limited editions with bespoke labelling.
Health warning labels
To allow businesses sufficient time to prepare for the change, there is a three-year lead-in time. However, from May 2026, all alcohol products will be legally required to display the following:
Well if you are Heineken, none of your share holders are losing sleep over the cost of adding a logo to your cans.
If you are a small craft brewer and have had to pay staff overtime so they can apply stickers manually to cans otherwise you are not able to sell them, it's easy to argue the costs are not the same for all suppliers.
I remember Irish Water very well. I, and hundreds of thousands of others, marched against the farce that was Irish Water and FG's attempts to privatise the system.
I also remember that there were one or two posters in this thread who were also full on for that particular con job as well. 😉
IPRA complaint seems to be that it is 'anti-competitive' and is possibly 'a restriction on free movement of good'.
https://www.businesspost.ie/news/complaint-lodged-with-european-regulator-over-anti-competitive-deposit-return-scheme/
(Note I can only read first 3 paragraphs of article.)
Second seems a complete non-runner - having to comply with individual country labelling requirements is already a standard and doesn't constitute a restriction. It also affects all suppliers equally.
Not sure how they could swing an ani-competitive angle either.
