Re-turn has already stated that it's keeping the money from unclaimed levies.
Big bonuses for the lads. 😉
You can slave yourself with some fantasy if you wish. But the whole thing stinks.
Exactly! When ReTurn makes a massive so called profit, who decides where this profit/dividend goes? In the meantime what is the cost of their Board of Directors, advisers, and employees????
The legal structure of an NFP is clear.
No dividends can be paid.
One would wonder how "Not for Profit" most companies are that make that claim. Where's the money going so, because it's not going into the tax take.
Somebody, somewhere, is making money out of this.
I continue to do as I've always done…
Which is exactly what the owners of Re-turn were hoping for and they'll make bank out of that.
Except for the fact that Re-turn is a Not for Profit Company (NFP).
There is no legal mechanism to allow dividends to be drawn from an NFP.
Your obsequious sycophancy towards this scheme scam is nauseating.
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My conclusion is the highly visible army of semi professional waste collectors, who not only pick up litter but inspect litter bins and extract anything with a deposit out.
They're called homeless people.
@LambshankRedemption
I'm doing my bit for the environment already. I'm just a bit cheesed off being taxed for it at the same time.
Except you're not being taxed.
It's worse than that.
You're, literally, giving money to a private business for you doing something that you were already doing.
If this was actually a state run scheme, I'd have much less of a problem with it, warts and all. Because any monies not collected would go into the tax take and then, in theory, toward to the state. As it stands, all people are doing by not collecting their vouchers is lining the pockets of private individuals…to the tune of millions. What should have been a state run entity has, once again, been hocked off to private enterprise.
A great little country to do "business" in.
About 12 years ago I built a monitoring system for a major software company that had collectors on 5 continents monitoring about 5000 systems worldwide, and showed uptime, capacity and a load of other stats.
Could I build a similar system but just for little old ireland? Yes. I'd need someone else to write the mobile app, but when you consider a boardsie built a better barcode scanner than ReTurns in an afternoon, it's safe to say the skills are available.
The current ReTurn systems versus the systems in place in other countries is like the difference between the Bank of ireland and Revolut.
that added layer of IT sofistikation on top of masheens that barely work anyway is unthinkable 🤣
Why are the bins so small? Why? Make them twice as big and you only need to collect/empty half as often. I've seen a few of the bins being emptied and they really aren't that big plus you could crush the cans a lot more and shred the plastic to make far more use of the space.
Yes and they should also show the fill level so if the machine is at say 80% there's no point in you starting to tip your black bags worth of cans/bottles as a member of staff will be needed to empty it before you finish. All basic stuff that should be known decades back from other countries experiences.
For those that know what they are doing, would it really be that difficult to have a real-time app showing when machines are operational or not?
Jesus Christ no. Why do you think people would accept uht as their only option?
Thats about the height of it. If you refuse to work for free to return your containers you must be loaded and have delusions of grandeur.
I think Re-Turn supporters now recognise how shambolic it is and this is the best they can come up with.
According to some posters on this thread you display wanton disregard for your own personal finances.
If you stopped getting a spice bag once a month, and returned your cans to an RVM you could afford to spend christmas in Ashford Castle.
I go through on average 2 cans per day at home but let's round it up to say 20 a week
At 15c per can that's €3 a week.
Per month, that's a max of about €13.50 (again overstating the numbers)
That's less than the cost of the spice bag I had delivered last night (€15)
It continues to not be worth my time or the aggravation that would be involved to keep them all pristine all week, gather them all up and drive down to the closest machine, hope it works, hope it takes them all, and get my €3 back (or the cost of a 500 ml bottle in some places)
I don't litter and I don't consume that much overall really. I'm also under no illusion that we're saving the planet in Ireland by punitive measures like this.
I continue to do as I've always done… squash and throw them in the kitchen bin with the rest of the rubbish. When the single 240L bin I have outside is full with those bags (every 6-8 weeks), I throw the lot into the boot and drive the 15 mins to the landfill where it's all disposed of in the compactor for €10-15 (depending on overall weight) each time.
That €10-15 (lets call it €30 every 2 months, or €15 a month) is itself a hell of a lot less than the money I'd spend on 3 separate bins and collections too - only for it to likely end up in the same (type of) place anyway.
exactly. I have secondary-progressive MS, and a limited pension, although some capital which I need to provide for as much quality of life and as much independence as might be possible going forward. Doing basic shopping requires mustering energy and the effort is quite considerable, but it is very good for me to get out and about and not sit at home moping and thinking how unfortunate I am. Some days energy is in very short supply and my arms are at the point of giving up, as well as my legs of course. The added effort of doing the DRS some days is more than I can muster, and the plastic bottle build up.
Why do I use plastic bottles? Another medical issue where I get severely dehydrated if I don’t continuously sip water. I hate chlorinated & fluoridated tap water, it’s not even good for me. I like sparkling water and it is good for my system. Hence I get quite a build of of these bottles.
No RVM. There were bins in the main concourse.
Been on crutches and without transport as a result for two months. My shopping can be delivered thank god. However…. This scheme is an absolute pain in the neck for anyone with physical restrictions. Even living in a town I can’t get my cans to the nearest machine without help.
Twice I’ve gotten a lift to it, once completely out of order machine and the other more than half my returnable items were rejected (despite washed, not damaged and correct items with deposits paid). It’s incredibly awkward to manage the machine while balancing on one foot as it’s high up and then I ended up trying to carry a half empty bag of cans swinging off the crutches while picking up some items in the shop (I had a backpack for them)
This scheme just does not work for those with limited mobility/transport issues never mind those in wheelchairs who can’t reach the slots in the first place
Another poster who I suspect is not actually here for mature debate.
Good for you if you have the time for that
I didn't say I was happy throwing 100 in the bin every week. The argument put to me was it was a saving over a YEAR.
I could stand at the top of O'Connel Street for a couple of hours on a saturday asking for spare change and hit a hundred in less time than a year.
Ok
Good for you. Great to see someone working as a professional or something
€100 after tax is hard earned for a lot of people
Was there an RVM and/or a recycle bin into which people could put their spent bottle? I've never been to Hill 16.
There was thousandd of discarded cans and bottles on Hill16 on Saturday after the Leinster match. I didn't see one person picking them up to make a few euro (maybe the cleaning staff did later in the evening).
I nearly always go to the Ulster GAA Football Final in Clones, and find a spot on the Hill. Other games there as well. I wait around for a while to let the crowd clear. The Hill is covered in rubbish, including bottles and cans. And if someone wanted a match programme ( four or five Euro to buy), there are usually a few lying around as well. I won't be there this Sunday, but I think some pickers will help themselves to the bonanza. But with it being Donegal famed for their thrift, and Armagh bringing out of scope containers, it might not be so productive. It would be a good result for the environment, if people bring their stuff home. They don't have any problem travelling with picnics, so there should be no excuse.
I think this was mentioned before in the thread about who could get the money for all the abandoned empties in Croke Park at the games there. Clones would be more suitable for pickers, but if they leave any behind, the cleaing staff will probably help themselves. Probably not too long now until the legal profession get involved to make rules about this sort of stuff.
I was on the motorway between Dublin Airport and Blake’s Cross yesterday, mounds of litter by the grassy side, including tons of plastic bottles thrown from cars. A national embarrassment. Nobody is going to be picking those up anyway.
Edit - see I posted sImilar last night, but it is a sign that car occupants are STILL throwing rubbish on motorways and not saving up bottles to get money back, and there is nobody to pick up these bottles etc, until a council truck with safety set-up, arrives to clear it up some time.
Doesn’t surprise me at all about Lithuania. Notable everything is so clean and tidy in that photo, as has been my experience of the country. Again quote function failing 🙄 Trying to quote @AndyBoBandy
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