Again, really not sure how serious your post is. If thats aimed at me, I pick up any coins I see.
I am doing the deposit return thing, though it very inconvenient for me as I have a considerable issue with mobility. Regarding other people’s coins on the street, that is not being reunited with your own money, it’s an incidental coin that you can use for parking. Re-Turn takes your coin, and in a roundabout way gives it back at their convenience.
I don't throw mine away, so I will get my money back when it suits me. Think of it as finding a Euro coin on the street. Although I know most people on the thread could not be bothered to bend down to pick one up.
Ah not if you are scavenger hunting for dumped bottles and clearing away litter at same time … at the moment though it is hit and miss if you find anything, may not be in the scheme.
If there was an RVM on the route I walked, I might do it, but not going to be faffing about with putting them into car until I get to RVM.
you are NOT making money, you are getting your own money back! It’s exactly like as if you loaned someone money, and when you get it back you said “I’ve just made money” 🙄 You haven’t, you’ve just been reunited with your money.
A lad found a piece of old rope on a beach. He put it up for sale on eBay and someone bought it. The circular economy is a wonderful thing.
Trolling ???
It's just old fashioned thriftiness.
"Look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves".
Your pity is misplaced.
However I learnt something from your post.
I had no idea there were so many motivated working professionals on this thread 🙂
🤣 Im not even sure what your point is here.
I can (and bottle)
Jaysus.
If your lucky while your at it you might find a bit of old baler twine to hold your trousers up.
I spend some time walking. That is not a time v money activity. I can (and bottle) make a few Euro now, which I couldn't before. And remove litter from the environment. Thanks to my rich fellow citizens. It's a win win every way round.
Its borderline trolling at this stage. A massive part of modern life is time v money. We all know it. Plenty of scenarios where people pay a small fee to avoid inconvenience and time wasted that could be better spent elsewhere. Re-Turn is no different but dressed up as an environmental initiative. Supporters of this scheme know it too yet continue to argue in bad faith that reclaiming the deposits is worth this nonsense to most. The 2.2c per container isnt worth the hassle to retailers either. The architects of Re-Turn know all this also. Its by design.
Lots of people can afford not to get their deposits back. But they should not throw the cans and bottles on the street. They could be the same people who throw away food they bought with good money. And then complain that they are the Squeezed Middle who are barely managing to exist.
WOW! 100 a year!
I genuinely pity you with that attitude.
Gathering up my cans, walking to the rvm which may or may not be working for a voucher which may or may not be accepted for a whopping 100 a year could be a great motivator if I was a 12 year old with time on my hands and got 5 euros pocket money a week.
100 a year is not a motivator for a working professional whose time is precious as it is. I imagine I am not the only one with this attitude.
I notice that facility is not wheelchair accessible.
Indeed.
€100 equals a nice bottle of whiskey and a few bottles of wine at Christmas 🎄
I wouldn't be throwing that much in the bin.
Yeah, I do a 3K walk every evening and have recently started picking up stuff. Generally getting between €1 and €2 most walks now (walks that I would be doing regardless) so a little reward for my exercise. I limit it to water bottles and soft drink cans, ignoring messy/smelly stuff like beer cans and Monster drinks.
I can (and bottle) confirm that they do not need to be in perfect condition. As an experiment I picked up some when I was out walking in the last while. Obviously not nearly as many of them out there along the roads as the old stock. And many are just too battered to bother with, but some are just partly crushed out of shape. Of the ones I got, only one was rejected, and I got €3.55 in Tesco this morning. A small drop which won't go into the ocean, and despite the abuse on social media, other people will be doing this as well.
That's over €100 a year
German RVMs only take items with their logo or which are sold in that specific shop. Plenty of cross border stuff falls in to the latter category in big shops.
Singapore has the reputation like Germany of being very organised. But there are reports from that country that the installation of machines did not run smoothly at the start. Lithuania is mentioned in the newspaper report. If the figures are right, they were not nearly as good as Ireland for recycling. Until the deposit system arrived. In countries where the system has matured for years, it is a success.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/efforts-under-way-to-gear-up-for-nationwide-bottle-and-can-recycling-in-2024
And as mentioned above, it will be pickers retrieving the discarded litter who will contribute in Ireland to improving our numbers. I saw a report from Germany where there are street bins with holders on the outside for cans and bottles. This enables the pickers to get the bottles and cans without looking inside the bins.
Probably the most common PET bottles in Ireland are milk bottles. There is no return on them, as the 2 and 3 litre bottles don't fit the machines (and probably political influence).
Would I be correct in saying that Continental Europe are mainly/only use UHT milk, which it probably sold in a Tetra pack?
Hmmm, seems to contradict certain post on here on how brilliant the German system is!
I don't know if the system is perfect elsewhere. See pic below, taken by me last weekend in Germany. 4 machines, only one working, queue of 6 people formed.
I certainly observed lots of people not bothering to return containers over my stay, and wondered how it could be that their ratio is over 90%.
My conclusion is the highly visible army of semi professional waste collectors, who not only pick up litter but inspect litter bins and extract anything with a deposit out.
Curious to see how effective these were, I I left a PET bottle on top of a bin and stepped a short distance away. Within 90 seconds it was retrieved by a man pushing a trolley already 75% full.
The other reason I think Germany is high is because it has land borders with 9 countries, of which only 3 have DRS. Around 80% of it's border is with a non DRS country.
As I believe German RVMs accepts all bottles (even those purchased outside Germany), I suggest there is a degree of 'reverse smuggling' compensation in the stats.
Thanks for the pic and comments. We can give advice to those countries bringing in RVM on how NOT to do it sensibly and properly!
Here is a typical RVM setup in Lithuania, this is my local shop here.
It’s in a separate room connected to the main shop, but with its own dedicated entrance…
I’ve never had to queue up here, and the machine has never been out of order, and it’s never once rejected a bottle/can I’ve put in it…
In Ireland Ive probably visited RVM’s on about 5 occasions, and on at least 4 of those occasions, there was an issue of some sort…
I can only judge by own house. I have returned about 20% of the ones I bought so far. This is normal for me, I would be doing the same with my green bin before. It's just the way I operate. If I buy a slab of cans tomorrow, I will only be able to put a couple of them a week in the machines. I have to keep the rest as long as they are full.
80 cans/bottles per every man, woman and child in the country hasn't been returned or refunded - apart from the one guy in this thread no one is storing multi hundreds of cans and bottles (full or empty) A fraction of those are waiting to be returned
So are you saying that everybody is stockpiling unopened cans and bottles for the future in order to make the re-turn statistics look bad or just stockpiling opened ones for the craic. 😂 I'm still on the fence on this but if no figures are released come the deadline some questions need to be asked, not that it will make much difference if it turns out to be a sh1tshow since the company can't be held accountable and the people in charge can march off into the sunset as usual with no consequences as usual.
I'm storing mine. In the green bin.
I have a maximum of 2 cans of something a day. 2 x .15 = 30 cent. Over a 7 day period, that is 2.10 I'm losing in DRS deposits not being claimed. In the time and effort involved in bringing my 14 cans or bottles to an RVM which may or may not be working, which may or may not accept my cans, which may or may not print out a voucher which may or may not be accepted, I am not losing sleep over the "loss" of 2 euros 10 cent - a week!
When my Gatorade powder arrives, my loss will be even less.
I've run the numbers on getting a soda stream and they dont make it worth the effort, even though that kind of model is what I would like the world to adopt to reduce single use plastic.
Paper straws are hopeless, they get soggy and stop working, so I bought some silicon, dishwasher safe straws which I use when I get a Micky D or Burger King delivery. Ive got a reuseable waterbottle and reuseable coffee cup permanently in my bag for when out and about.
I'm doing my bit for the environment already. I'm just a bit cheesed off being taxed for it at the same time.
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