Both machines were out of order again this morning in my local Lidl. That's been the case two of the three times I've brought cans to return. Both times the cans went into the general bin instead.
Before this scheme, I was putting everything in my recycle bin. I don't know how representative I am, but there were far more cans being collected from me for recycling before this scheme was introduced. I'm hardly alone in that. But I'm sure the official statistics will be phrased in a way that avoids the comparison.
There was a few thousand euro worth of deposits left on Hill16 yesterday
There had to be a transition period in order to clear non DRS stock.
Stock levels of some items will vary from shop to shop.
From June 1st they won't be selling old stock any more.
That is 425g for 30 euro if I am correct.
I was thinking more about real savings. My friend used to get 20kg of CO2 for less than 50 euro.
The same company sell 10kg of CO2 for the price you pay for one soda stream refill which is roughly 23x more.
I was in NL and used some of their machines, it’s a bit of a shitshow there but getting better. Anyway, I was intrigued how the Statiegeld machines in the train stations worked. Turns out you can either choose to donate the amount, or scan a QR code to get it back via Tikkie. Intriguing. I’d like to think this would be possible in Ireland but Tikkie is one bank in NL allowing the others to use its service, and they all support SEPA Instant, which none of the Irish banks support.
anyway I’ve a bag full of bottles and cans to bring up to Dunnes tomorrow, wish me luck
I would like the person with 250 cans and bottles to please post a pic ,before he returns them ,and if he does to show a video of the machine, and how long it takes him ,given that every third can is rejected, and has to be reinserted again. Usually there is a queue, so show us please.
Im not talking about the money, more the fact that 50% of bottles still going in household recycling, that we bought recently.
Thats why I asked why ALDI bottles not in scheme yet or when?
That map is not accurate because in the centre is Czechia which does have "a" DRS scheme. It's just a better implemented one than here where glass is accepted, bulk return is allowed and refusals are extremely rare. No barcodes are used either.
thats very fair… they all should have done this or timed the launch so they had all the logo they needed on the bottles...
A consumer friendly solution for airports is definitely needed.
Maybe placing RVMs at both airside and landside would work better.
Vouchers refundable on both sides would make sense.
It still doesn't get over the problem of bringing airside purchases onto the aircraft.
Realistically nobody is going to mind a can/bottle while away to collect 15c on return.
It might work for some to bring a sports drink bottle and decant their purchase into it and then return to an RVM before boarding.
Sounds a bit convoluted though.
Aldi are still selling old stock on which they do not charge the deposit. One that I buy is their 1 Litre soda water at 69 cents. After 01 June and probably before that, they will have new stock which they will sell with a deposit. Retailers were given a lead up time to June 01 to allow for the selling off of old stock. If they have a lot of old stock coming up to June, they might put it on special offer.
Tesco had 2 litres of sparkling water old stock selling off at 30 cents for a while. Tesco actually reduced their soda water 1 Litre from 75 cents to 69 cents (plus 25 cent deposit) after the scheme came in.
In fairness you should post which machine and what time you intend to do the business 🙂
Doesn't really make a mockery if you didn't get a refund of a deposit that wasn't paid.
On the other hand if Aldi charged you a deposit on bottles with no barcode they owe you money.
After June 1st there will be no non barcode stock in shops.
Used these machines for the first time today, so as you can tell not a big user of placed bottles and cans.
When pretty well in SuperValu return center all eligible bottles accepted except possibly 1 or 2 and got about 5 euro total back.
But…
Ended up taking about half of these plastic bottles back…Aldi Water bottles…which don't seem to be part of the scheme?? No Bar code or Return label, so not sure why?
Now I presume we were not charged for these, but even still does it not make a mockery of the whole thing that half my plastic bottles come home to be recycled the normal way?!
As we've seen from any sensible analysis on here all schemes are clearly not created equal and different countries also had different waste collection solutions before adding a DRS. Our lads have put their own special twist on Re-Turn. This map may as well show countries in Europe that sell shoes.
I just bagged up 250 cans/bottles , will bring to machine over weekend
Or it could simply be that the camera and lighting is optimised for downward facing barcodes since the distance between barcode and camera is pretty fixed and relatively independent of the can or container size etc...
I think I have worked out the reason why items are more easily read if barcode is downside is because the fulcrum of a small amount of side-to-side movement is fixed at the bottom, any small “settling” movement will be st its greatest at the top area creating an inability for the scanner to read it. Understanding the physics helps in the game of persuading these machines to accept your items 😁
there isn’t separate bins they all go into the 1 bin together
Used the machines in Dunnes for the first time yesterday. No issue other than 2 empty bottles rejected as not empty. I just put them in again and they went through. It's still a pain in the A taking to a machine instead using the recycling bin at home.
Yes, a stupid suggestion, but crucially, one that means DAA don't need to do or change anything. All the onus is on the consumer.
Its also disingenuous advice as each bottle or container has to be empty if you have it with you pre security. If it's full or partially full it will be taken from you (or surrendered by you to a bin) at security.
If the airport was genuine then we would see draining facilities at the gate, allowing you to empty your bottles so as to keep it like they suggest. I believe they only offer bins.
See photo below I took this week at security in Berlin Airport, apologies for the quality, but you see the idea.
Imho, the consumer friendly solution for airports would be
1) an RVM at security gate, issuing vouchers for containers (bought with deposit landside or prior to travel) that can be redeemed at retail outlets airside
and
2) a complete DRS exemption on anything sold airside.
I read something about it on the thread a few pages back. No expiry date, but the advice was not to carry them around like cash or cards for too long. The print quality is not great, and they might not scan at a till next Christmas.
Wild question….do the vouchers you receive from the machine have an expiry date? Do they need to be used within a certain time frame?
Is that map up to date for May 2024?
reminder that this (the green countries) is the "all over europe" being mentioned by fans of this scheme lol
Postal administrations have regulations about the way items have to be packaged. It would be a shame if the bottle or can arrived back in Ireland damaged. And thinking about it, this must have been the reason that glass is not in the scheme. Postal administrations do not always allow glass bottles to be put in their systems. Excellent idea otherwise.
Did they refer to the information published on the Re-Turn website about Boots and WH Smith?
4. Products Sold to In Port Non-Duty Free Customers
If the producer/wholesaler is producing/selling goods to non-duty free business customers in the airport/seaport (airside or landside) and these products can be consumed in the airport/seaport or brought on a plane/ship, a deposit must be charged as this is considered a standard domestic sale. These products must be registered with Re-turn and include a Re-turn logo and Re-turn barcode(ROI specific or international). To facilitate returns of these in-scope products and refunding of the deposit to consumers, WH Smith & Boots have agreed to operate manual return points in major Irish airports.
figures released today. 16% return rate.
Dublin Airport now advise since there are no return bottle/can machines there that you should bring your empty bottle/can away on holidays with you and on return deposit it in your local return machine. Stupidity at its finest 🙄
Re-Chit-Ching!!!
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