WishUWereHere wrote: » Thanks for sharing this. On opening the page, I saw the following on the scroll bar on the RH side:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_t7a0gXRQ On 1m23, there is a TU 134 belonging to Aeroflot taking off. Did Aeroflot fly regularly then between Dublin & ( I guess ) Moscow?
Confirmed via internal comms that EI won’t be launch customer for the XLR.
Nothing like the investment brought about by being part of an international airline group, huh?
Stronger together blah blah 😂😂
Until you see a repaint anything is possible.
exactly, it also doesn’t say the aircraft numbers are impacted, could be instead of getting XLR 1, they now get XLR 7 or whatever slot Iberia had.
Yeah thats true. A friend sent me that so I don’t know anymore detail!
Well i expect MSP will just be suspended for the winter now and that then shifts the goal post out to S25. So another year to try and get an agreement. Considering the cap wont be resolved until 2025 either then it might actually suit EI.
The Irish Times have it saying it will go elsewhere in iag
Posters in here often see through PR bull but I think posters are falling for it here. Here’s what I have gathered from other posters on here.
Similar to the passenger cap people tend to believe whatever or they want. Some more mature big picture thinking needed by posters on here.
To your first point, MSP has already resumed, the re-inaugural was yesterday. There is no delay to relaunch or convenient excuse for this. What is in doubt is its continuation into winter now the airline will be without their first XLR for the start of the winter schedule.
Your second point also isn’t true, the aircraft was seen on the 27th still with Aer Lingus tail and winglet colours and a primer fuselage. Engines had been installed too, its unclear what colour these were. The Iberia A321XLR that has been painted was always intended for Iberia, it’s a different MSN on the production line.
The Irish Independent is reporting that the second XLR is still intended for Aer Lingus and is due in December. The article even suggests this gives time for Aer Lingus and IALPA to come to an agreement. If this turns out to be the case, that’s the argument about not wanting to receive the aircraft in winter out of the window.
https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-confirms-it-wont-be-launch-customer-for-new-airbus-xlr-jet/a729465018.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR18p2qbrcun5kgUOsyhhvlw0idkr5IGrRWOQtllTmnw3Das6fheurv0BO0_aem_ARDqwsXwE6iIIVmkz_0rrqLDYzV4hhdt-qIbrAZj7FXjs1ionpAwS62hZLYhgdsWVjZVfjhTqF2qn_NI62pHcYwl
I really don’t think this was about calling anyone’s bluff, it’s simply how IAG operates. The group carriers are expected to sing to IAG’s tune or certain decisions will go against them. This is what has happened here.
Aer Lingus weren’t originally the launch customer. External factors shoehorned them into it. They have no work for an XLR until winter 24, which was the original plan. Not getting an XLR at this moment in time is insignificant.
I suspect Iberia get it for route proving and crew training in advance of their own fleet of them. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the aircraft then handed back to EI when their own come on board.
So that looked like "Some more mature big picture thinking needed by posters on here" to me!
Engines not yet installed on msn 11348, going by the images posted a week or so ago. Also, neither the Iberia nor the EI aircraft have any paint yet, other than the fin, which is already painted when installed, I think.
https://flic.kr/p/2pLdTad
https://flic.kr/p/2pLdSTX
Engines installed according to spotter reports on the 27th over the weekend.
https://aviation.flights/aib/customer/EIN-3
The photo used is from the 19th, as a more recent shot is yet to be taken or uploaded.
Looks like they use the same engines (LEAP) so that won't make a difference. Also paint can be easily changed at any time. Its the cabin interior that would be the biggest issue to modify.
New pockets on ei cvc looks like a cheap job won't last long
I thought they looked fine to be honest, the cabin looks a decent bit fresher and the pockets felt strong. Then again, anything is an improvement on the horrible safety card sleeve they’d stitched to the seat backs previously.
Some context on EI’s ‘cost challenges’ on the MSP route: DL will be crewing the route with 3 pilots, on an aircraft with a proper crew rest. The most junior of the 3 Delta pilots will be on more money than the 2 EI pilots combined.
Short video from Aer Lingus on the cabin refits;
Nothing new in terms of 'look' and design, same IFE screen, same seat, same shade of green. Basically in line with the rest of the younger A330s, an obvious improvement but a missed opportunity as well in my opinion.
The rumour was that they were getting the Iberia spec which features on their A350s but that doesn't appear to have materialised.
This is my thought too. Iberia dont have LRs in service. Their own first XLR (MSN 11504) is almost finished in Hamburg. If they take delivery of 2 XLRs this year, they can use the Winter to get experience opearting them (crew training) and then be ready to launch their XLR specific routes in summer 2025. Aer Lingus have have the LRs for 5 years, and apart from MSP they dont actually need the XLR so soon. IAG have 14-16 on order (cant recall exactly) so the split can still be 8/6, just that EI get their first one in Q42024 or Q12025 rather than Q32024.
Internal messaging was that EIK/EIL would be the last A330 to have the current spec installed. Plan is to start refitting the older cabins in 2025. (that could well be announcing a new cabin in 2025, with actually refits happening in 2026) So less a "missed chance" but a "get whatever we can in them as quickly as we can"
Similar situation regarding the JFK/BOS roues. Jetblue have a better product, with less seats, 5 cabin crew versus 4 on EI. And the Jetblue pilots will be costing a lot more than those on the EI aircraft.
Saw a pic of the EI crew operating the DUB MSP flight looked like only 2 FD crew, How come DAL using 3 crew? As for the salary range the jnr guy on more than the 2 EI crew is mad.
Although my mate in FR was telling me about a guy from there going to ATLAS as an FO $500K and the skipper on about $900k.
US rules that anything over 8 hours get 3 pilots. (Or maybe its 8 hours 30?) EI only operate 3 pilots on West Coast flights or flgihts over 9 hours. They have a specific agreement/exemption for their Florida flights, so they are only 2 crew too. An EI mate of mine says his mate is a B737 skipper with Alaskan and is on over $400K. 2nd hand info so pinch of salt.
Ah yep forgot that my old company had 3 crew operating the flights from the US to Europe. I remember while doing the flight training in the US in 09 rumour had it that a regional pilot were on around €16000 PA.
bankers in London regularly receive 4-5 times the pay of their equivalents in Paris which is likely a closer equivalent. Likewise for lawyers and accountants between London, Frankfurt and London. Each person has a choice to move to chase the additional remuneration - it doesn’t mean that it’s equal. Just as a medical consultant on a public contract in Ireland might earn €250k whereas the equivalent in London (more expensive living costs) might earn £125k.
I mean you should see what flights cost over this (US) side of the pond as a result, $200 (€186) return for a < 2hr flight would be considered a cracking deal. Cabin crew and pilots make a fortune in the States.
No, they are adequately paid for the responsible jobs they do transporting hundreds of people from one place to another and dealing with a myriad of complex scenarios that may arise at any given time. Air transport is an expensive business and if things go wrong they go very wrong. Staff should be adequately rewarded for the job they do and skills they have. Cheap flights are not a basic human right and are usually only possible on the back of the staff who are being shafted. Wake up!
The same cabin crew who only start getting paid once the doors are closed?
They way their pay is made up may differ greatly but earning potential is much greater especially after a few years seniority. $80k etc.
No cabin crew in EI earn that or anything close
edited to note:
Living and earning in the US is obviously a different ball game to Ireland. With totally different costs and benefits so these comparisons aren’t really fair either
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