I think his point is that while since some of us are open to trying something new others aren't. Often for valid reasons.
Lol I hear yah...
And my point is that in many cases the 'valid reasons' are not valid. If I had a euro for every time I heard/ read the range argument, my car would be paid off. We live on a small island where you could travel from Malin head to Mizen head with one stop to charge… yet the range is always brought up.
Most of the arguments against EVs I hear are from people who are just rehashing what journalists say, and the journalists are often just rehashing inaccurate or outdated material.
Take Newstalk for example, this week saw Anton Cabbage a self-proclaimed petrol head talking to Nadia Anan, an independent dealer who has stated that she won't sell EVs and constantly puts them down. Naturally, they were discussing EVs… and not in a good way.
I accept that. But you can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink...
And it's considerably harder when you have people shouting don't drink the water… but they can't give a valid reason as to why not.
If you are listening to Anton and Nadia and taking advice from the both of them. Honestly you have bigger issue in your life than what car you drive
Time to walk away at that point and ignore them.
I'm happy to engage if someone wants to ask a genuine question about EVs. But too many times on these forums a question isn't genuine it's just bait so they can post anti EV rants.
I want to be positive about EVs. I currently drive a 2017 Diesel Skoda which I plan to keep as long as possible, but accept that my next car will probably be an EV. My family probably are probably the ideal target for an EV. Mostly short runs around town with occasional long distance drives to the in laws.
The problem many people have with adopting EVs is the uncertainty and planning aspect of travel. At the moment I get into my car and rarely even look at the fuel gauge. I drive until I see that I might need to fuel up and can do so in countless places across the country. Due to the absolute shambolic nature of our infrastructure in Ireland I cannot do the same in an EV. Having to plan a journey like a WW2 pilot (obvious hyperbole before anyone latches onto this comment) doesn't appeal to the majority of people and until that can be addressed widespread EV adoption will be slow.
The other thing I hear many point out about EVs is battery degradation. Like it or not, that fear is real. I have yet to see compelling evidence that ICE engines suffer the same level of degradation as EV battery's and we are essentially in the infancy of EV adoption (i.e. it will be a while before we see real data on a large data set of battery wear). If this is all a myth and scaremongering then a simple solution for the manufacturers is to voluntarily give lifetime battery warranties. The fact that they don't paints a picture to me. And no, you can't compare it to wear parts of an ICE car when the cost of replacing an EV battery can range from anywhere from €5,000 to €15,000+. And despite the "long warranties" that are often given, as we saw back earlier on the thread manufacturers will weasel their way out of it easily due to small print.
To summaries the barriers to wide spread EV adoption in Ireland:
Solve the above issue and concerns without soundbites and people will embrace EVs. Until then ICE will still be king for most.
I do find the whole thing strange, why are people suddenly lapping up what a car dealer is saying and making decisions based on that? is the population gone a bit thick
A car dealer will sell what they have in stock, they are not going to sell you or tell you to buy a car they don't have.
Are people that gullible they don't understand this?
congrats, i think you have covered almost all of the FUD in one post and made it look like you are being genuine.
You can think I'm not being genuine if you want, but your childish response adds nothing to the discourse. What about my post was pushing FUD as you call it? I said nothing inaccurate and was stating what my experience of people who fear adopting EVs feel. I already stated that for my next car I will be strongly considering an EV, but at the same time you can't ignore the barriers to entry. Are many of them laziness, fear of change? Undoubtedly yes. But you can't brush off the other points with cheap insults when your position cannot be proven.
It's an odd thread. I've posted maybe twice but have noticed the laughable defensive attitude of some posters as if you have insulted their mothers or something. Why that attitude? It's not constructive.
Just to back up my points above with references:
To get more people to buy EV cars will take more than "You're just too stupid to understand how they work Bro!".
Well said, hard make a point here without some one or five jumping down your neck.
I would suggest you look at a phev, some of your concerns would be address with one, while battery degradation won't, the 2.5% loss a year would hardly be noticed on 100km range phev from skoda or VW.
You've mixed up Lithium mining with Cobalt mining, something which is very quickly being removed from mainstream batteries. As to warranties, are you also of the opinion that a VW Golf needs an engine rebuild every 3 years because that's the standard warranty term?
Actually in case of 1.4 TSi or 1.0 6 valve that was not far off :-)
Make a daft point a poster will be called on it. An open forum is not an echo chamber
The answer to all the above is if you want diesel features, buy a diesel.
If you want to post and not be corrected. A forum is the wrong place for that.
Because most of what you have posted has been addressed ad nauseum.
you are like a broken record 😂
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From the article you linked. If you're going to link something, maybe read the key takeaways at least?
And I also looked at the individual cars they took data from. The vast majority are (obviously, but it seems this needs to be stated) older models with older battery technologies. 2019 (the latest I could find) is 5 years ago. That's aeons in modern battery technology.
Let's not also address the elephant in the room of the lithium mines in the Congo...
Let's not also address the elephant in the room of the lithium mines in the Congo
Hmmm... yes, indeed.
I assume you mean cobalt... this is being phased out of batteries but do you know what's critical to the refining of petrol and diesel... I'll give a clue... it begins with C and ends with... obalt.
Apparently Portugal has the largest lithium deposits in Europe. /random fact
Spot on @RoboRat Cobalt is used to reduce sulphur content in diesel. More distance driven in a diesel = more cobalt mining.
An EV with cobalt onboard, it's the same cobalt regardless of mileage. It has only mined once and as it's stored in the batteries can be recovered in future.
Reverse FUD for the laugh. What becomes of refinery cobalt sludge, is it incinerated? Pumped as a liquid sludge below ground in Saudi Arabia? Pumped out to sea? Concerned ICE drivers who care so much about the Congo should stop buying fossil fuels immediately :)
Bought my first EV last year and my insurance was €500 for the E tron from memory the insurance on he A6 quattro was around €700.
Yep, complete hypocrisy. Up there with the spontaneous combustion BS, which was debunked by the Australians.
I'm not bothered, if people are happy to continue propping up the oil barons, knock themselves out. I've got my solar array powering my car 6 months of the year for nothing 🤑
Still better than getting to work on a bicycle, and more stylish
I heard that, along with grade A knucklehead Paul Williams on the panel also. Apparently he won't buy an EV as you "can't go from Dublin to Leitrim without stopping for an hour and a half to charge up".
Lol. I did that trip last week and could have done the return on one charge.
Yesterday, I did Dublin to Portlaoise, onto tullamore, then back to Dublin. Started with 80% had 15% when I got home... no horses were spared on route. Could have done it and had over 20% left.
Woke up this morning and i had 80% again 😀
But yeah, range and all that...
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