I was playing the "hazard a guess" game started by the other poster. What is your guess?
Those are typical of the comments made in reaction to the smoking ban, the smoky coal ban, and the charge on plastic bags. Things which are now mostly accepted as everyday realities. Give the thing a chance to see if it will improve our recycling rate.
They probably mean to take them along when they are going shopping, but just forget.
Well no, I'd say they brought them alright. Just the bin didn't work when they got there.
I'd say the amount of bottles and cans being squeezed into general waste in around these non working bins has increased 100 fold, or fúcked over a wall or into a bush.
Back in the good old days they would have been safe in an actual bin that didn't break down.
But hey, that's not important, it's all for the environment right, right?
What about all the discarded vessels on the streets and the ones sitting in bins? Can we assume the same multiple of 5, that you've picked out of thin air?
12 million or 120 million matters not. What matters is the collection rate. A large number of households faithfully put recyclables in their waste collection bin, which they will soon pay more for, ironically for putting less items in. And these people doing their civic duty are being inconvenienced by this idiotic scheme run by just another quango.
Let's say it's a multiple of 5. That would be 350 million containers. Most of which will make their way into the system when people get organised. They probably mean to take them along when they are going shopping, but just forget. The system is so new.
There is always next week or next month. And some people save up coins in jars, and somehow think that makes them richer. There is no accounting for that sort of thinking.
https://www.ossiansmyth.ie/circular-economy-1
Reads like a Waterford Whispers article 🤣 The Greens are trolling us so brazenly its hilarious. And why wouldn't they? Accountable to no-one.
Let's get back to this Minister in a few weeks and ask about the RECYCLING RATE of the plastics returned vs plastics incinerated! Useless stats.
"More than 70 million containers returned and over 12 million euro worth of deposits paid out, Smyth told the Committee on Environment and Climate Action today."
Of course he has the stats on what has been paid back, but no mention anywhere of how much has been paid by consumers in deposits .
I'd hazard a guess that it's multiples of €12m.
HOORAY-first to reach nirvana-10 cans entered——-10 cans accepted.
BOOOOO- couple in front of me at the machine, two large bags in the trolley. One was cans, being inserted at a pedestrian pace with many rejections after multiple tries, including looking at the can and trying again and sometimes again.
NOW for bag number 2. Contained smallish plastic water bottles or it appeared. Everyone partially crushed, inspect bottle closely, insert-reject, then they tried to uncrush it-reinsert-re re reject and that failing take off the cap and blow into it- reinsert this was for 24 fecking bottles. This operation took at least 10 minutes!
And will again.
Then they'll have a "special" offer and bring down the price for a few days to convince us we're getting a bargain.
It's what they do 🤔
It's all very well saying "it's their problem" but when costs rise as sure as night follows day prices go up also and it becomes our problem
The feckers already put up the prices 😕
The bit you quoted pretty much covers the reason they think DRS is better than recycling bin.
Of course the cans and plastic bottles always had to be separated from the rest of the stuff in the recycling bin.
Now they just have two to separate and they go to different purchasers.
OK we will have to agree to disagree on that issue.
The day I am in a shop and someone puts their bottles and cans on the counter and I see the cashier who is about to check out my items handling them I will exit stage left.
As I said earlier I've never seen manual return working.
I know shops have put prices up and they'll do it again if we introduce added costs to them.
So what's the advantage over the recycling bin
This from re-turn website
. The separate collection of these plastic bottles and cans guarantees a high-quality recyclate material is returned and recycled and there is no cross-contamination. The introduction of Deposit Return is a proven method of increasing recycling rates, with great success in a number of other European countries.
You just said it needs to be sorted at the return centre so what's the point of this again
Mostly the lads filling the cans with alcohol. Heineken bosses paying themselves multi million salaries.
Somebody, somewhere, is making money ripping people off.
Its being embraced insofar anybody buying cans or bottles that has the logo has to pay the deposit. Are they all being recycled, no, not currently.
No I don't necessarily agree, LIDL and ALDI are handling all sorts of returns at the cashier desk at the moment.
How are shops handling manual returns doing it? I think until we have clearer picture of that and the regs around it, not going to make any progress discussing the exact process.
The main reason to have a rule that they have to accept manual returns if machine out of order is to ensure they keep the actual RVM operational. The hassle \ responsibility should be on them, not the consumer trying to return the items.
At the moment it is our problem, and people are losing out on deposits because of it, or time \ hassle. So our "costs" have already risen.
If cost is the main concern scrap the bloody scheme.
The recyclables will be sorted and baled at the depot.
So just for the same of moving on the discussion would it be fair to say we agree that no cashier handling people's shopping should be handling recyclables ?
This would mean a separate employee on Re-turn duty in a segregated indoor area.
I suppose you could have one of the floor staff/stackers diverted to the task as soon as a machine goes down.
Of course the knock on from that would be the rest of the staff trying to pick up the extra work.
It's all very well saying "it's their problem" but when costs rise as sure as night follows day prices go up also and it becomes our problem.
Hopefully such a measure i.e. having to take manual returns would give them extra incentive to have the machines operational… to avoid the above nightmares \ hassle scenarios as much as possible.
Yesterday I went to Tesco in Kildare Town. 2 or the 3 machines were out of order and there was a Q of about 10 people so I just left it.
Ironically they closed the WEEE return facility on that very site a while back as well. Not very helpful.
We have stored up another 70 million containers as weapons for this upcoming war. Your side would stand no chance.
What are the actual benefits of the scheme?
The only people I actually know who are happy with this scheme are the few posters in this thread and the few people interviewed on TV who think its just wonderful.
EVERYBODY else I have spoken to about it hates it and thinks its a scam.
If we got an army made up of the people who hate it and think its a scam and an army of people who like it and lined them up at the Boyne for a battle, it would be a fcuking massacre. Id say you would have hundreds of thousands if not millions on one side and maybe 50 on the other side.
He is being very brave, seeing what happened to his party colleague and to McEntee. Some lads will be round to his house when they read this.
Sounds to me like the participating shops have to accept manual returns, directly from the rescam wesbite. Twice I've had to go to customer service in Tesco with my empties, both times they sent someone to fix the machine. I hate this scam so much. I will refuse to leave the shop until either the machine or staff take them.
https://re-turn.ie/#howToReturn
So during the apparent public consultation, what did they actually discuss? Are they really saying nobody raised any of the many, many issues highlighted on this thread? They've been highlighted here since day one, but we're supposed to believe that a new company whose sole purpose is to run this didnt think of these questions?
And in the meantime, they continue to take money from our pockets and appear to be answerable to nobody.
One of the biggest scams I've seen with millions of euro being siphoned from the public. Its beyond farcical now, its just plain theft.
What planet is this guy on
https://www.thejournal.ie/deposit-return-scheme-embraced-by-public-ossian-smyth-climate-committee-6367840-Apr2024/
It never ceases to amaze me how politicians can lie right into your face even though they know you know that they are lying as it comes out of their mouths.
McEntee is another who is an ultimate master of this behavior.
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