HOORAY-first to reach nirvana-10 cans entered——-10 cans accepted.
BOOOOO- couple in front of me at the machine, two large bags in the trolley. One was cans, being inserted at a pedestrian pace with many rejections after multiple tries, including looking at the can and trying again and sometimes again.
NOW for bag number 2. Contained smallish plastic water bottles or it appeared. Everyone partially crushed, inspect bottle closely, insert-reject, then they tried to uncrush it-reinsert-re re reject and that failing take off the cap and blow into it- reinsert this was for 24 fecking bottles. This operation took at least 10 minutes!
"More than 70 million containers returned and over 12 million euro worth of deposits paid out, Smyth told the Committee on Environment and Climate Action today."
Of course he has the stats on what has been paid back, but no mention anywhere of how much has been paid by consumers in deposits .
I'd hazard a guess that it's multiples of €12m.
Let's get back to this Minister in a few weeks and ask about the RECYCLING RATE of the plastics returned vs plastics incinerated! Useless stats.
https://www.ossiansmyth.ie/circular-economy-1
Reads like a Waterford Whispers article 🤣 The Greens are trolling us so brazenly its hilarious. And why wouldn't they? Accountable to no-one.
Let's say it's a multiple of 5. That would be 350 million containers. Most of which will make their way into the system when people get organised. They probably mean to take them along when they are going shopping, but just forget. The system is so new.
There is always next week or next month. And some people save up coins in jars, and somehow think that makes them richer. There is no accounting for that sort of thinking.
12 million or 120 million matters not. What matters is the collection rate. A large number of households faithfully put recyclables in their waste collection bin, which they will soon pay more for, ironically for putting less items in. And these people doing their civic duty are being inconvenienced by this idiotic scheme run by just another quango.
What about all the discarded vessels on the streets and the ones sitting in bins? Can we assume the same multiple of 5, that you've picked out of thin air?
They probably mean to take them along when they are going shopping, but just forget.
Well no, I'd say they brought them alright. Just the bin didn't work when they got there.
I'd say the amount of bottles and cans being squeezed into general waste in around these non working bins has increased 100 fold, or fúcked over a wall or into a bush.
Back in the good old days they would have been safe in an actual bin that didn't break down.
But hey, that's not important, it's all for the environment right, right?
Those are typical of the comments made in reaction to the smoking ban, the smoky coal ban, and the charge on plastic bags. Things which are now mostly accepted as everyday realities. Give the thing a chance to see if it will improve our recycling rate.
I was playing the "hazard a guess" game started by the other poster. What is your guess?
My guess is that more money will be retained by this scheme annually than will be paid out in refunds to consumers.
Water charges… oh wait.
Mine is a very small sample of four visits with around a total of twelve x 25 cent plastic bottles. 100% success. I can't trust the doom and gloom being posted here. And we are not hearing from thousands of normal people who don't inhabit Boards.
So many people were recycling before this stupid scheme. I'd hazard another guess that recycling rates aren't as good since the introduction of this scheme, as vessels that previously went into a green bin at somebody's house, are now going in the watse bin at a shop, when the machines won't accept them.
Anecdotally, my nearest RVM is at a local convenience store. The public bin ourltside it was never full (the shop is beside my kids creche so I'm there most days) until the RVM was installed and now the general waste bin is wedged full of bottles and other vessels that the machine won't accept.
And the general area has far more rubbish blowing around the street, because the bin is overflowing.
Fantastic result for the environment there.
Good for you.
But you are aware not everyone is you, right?
I mean even the people running the scam are saying it hasn't been good enough. Doom and gloom?
And we are not hearing from thousands of normal people who don't inhabit Boards.
Are you suggesting you are not normal?
I am not everyone, but I am getting included in everyone. See the post above yours. It does not apply to me.
You simple are not.
Your experience is just that, yours.
Shop workers running Re-Turn are posting here. Customers using Re-Turn are posting here. Several articles in the media surveying the public recently posted here. Majority of experiences gathered point to a money grabbing time robbing shambles that increases carbon emissions compared to and running parallel to recycle wheelie bins. Who is meant to be commenting?
And this thread has probably fewer than 100 reporting their experiences. But one of them feels justified in labelling a politician as a liar, when the numbers don't suit their outlook.
These are comments made from one auld one who has been through Greencore, Iodine Tablets, Telecom Eireann, E voting machines,Garda Reserve Force, Irish Water to name just a few.
Name a few more.
Don't spoil me evening now, am trying to remain positive!
Who is meant to be commenting?
I'd say come one come all.
It's a discussion forum after all.
As long as we accept that we are a self selecting group of commentators.
Two machines had shutters down on them today, is that new for broken machines?
I'm really pi$$ed off with these machines as everytime I visit, issues with machines or cans or bottles with logo not accepted
100 > 1
And various posters have made positive comments of their RVM experiences.
I’ve not used them yet.
When the shutters are down, they are broken, broken.
Beyond the scope of the poor lad/lass who works in the supermarket who received absolutely no training on how to fix them.
Nor should they be expected to fix them, too dangerous.
Tried to turn in a few today and it said bottles weren't empty which has happened to me before.
There was a staff member emptying the other machine and he said to turn them in bottom first, all the other times it's worked for me I've been turning them in cap first but it worked straight away bottom first.
I looked at a few videos of machines from different countries. NSW had machines 5 years ago, but Victoria started only a few months back. Naturally to "mixed reviews" according to the media. They become just another everyday fixture after the initial furore.
Spain needs to get something working because they litter the country with 30 million containers a day according to what I read. This machine from Sweden takes the work out of feeding in the containers. 109 Kr is about €9.27.
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