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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The N.I. thing seemed a bit off. So they make their way to France, get on a "small boat" to England. Then travel to a port to get to Northern Ireland (needing a passport or id), then on into the south. Like, why not just get a ferry / plane from France to Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The solution in Europe seems to be to pass the buck. Italy and Spain send them off to France. France to the UK and the UK to Ireland.

    All of them terrified of archaic Human rights laws. They should be rounded up and sent straight out of Europe. You'll not deter the next million trying to cross otherwise.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Brixton Sticky Owl


    The docile population are not completely faultless either. We let it happen.

    This Government have got away with so much incompetence and kept pushing boundaries. And we let them. Housing, law and order, scoliosis you name it. Complete underperformance and no accountability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,402 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'm guessing the real issue could be asylum seekers already in Britain who are concerned at the Rwanda policy.

    On a separate note I can't see how McEntee's position is tenable after being publicly undermined by Micheál Martin.

    Looks like the knives may be coming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭Jizique


    How do they need a passport to travel within the UK?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭slay55


    so who are the people living in tents and in hotels , that you specifically referenced when suggesting we start building?


    I have no issue with tent city , should be outside of Dublin and all towns and villages

    Have it equipped with toilets , showers and wardens.

    Oh and gated as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Presumably they are not UK born, so id would be required at an airport / ferry port?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Hotels have been housing homeless people and families for decades, long before they started housing asylum seekers. I also dont.believe anyone should have to live in tents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭slay55


    I think that’s a little harsh. What could the public have done to stop this ?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Have got the ferry from NI to Scotland for work and family reasons and back loads of time and never once been asked for a passport or ID. Why would they ? It's an internal ferry ride in the UK. Bit like going from mainland Scotland to a Scottish Island. No idea whether loads of asylum seekers are actually using this route but it's an open crossing. I am sure you can be asked for ID or a passport, it's just never happened to me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    One thing that has been really striking today is how willing people have been to dance along to the narrative emanating from Brexiteer politicians and commentators today — somehow suggesting we should be embarrassed. Embarrassed about what exactly?

    These people have no love for us. The fact that Ireland didn't roll over for Brexit didn't sit well with them then and doesn't sit well with them now. They will use an Ireland-bashing narrative now for the very same reasons they have used a Euro-bashing narrative in the past — because the creation of overseas bogeymen hellbent on crushing plucky Britannia is a proven effective Tory strategy for painting Labour as weak against Britain's bogey enemies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭tom23


    justice minister says one thing about 80% coming from NI and another says it’s not based on hard data.. kinda looking like we don’t have a scooby doo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭StrawbsM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    The referendum was a watershed moment , in that sense , o Gorman etc did the state some service ( accidentally) by holding said referendum

    It made the Penny finally drop for a large number of people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,211 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Yeah, fair enough if that's the case. Just seems lax that tourists in the UK could cross over to N.I. without showing any form of ID.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭TRANQUILLO


    It made everyone realise we could say out loud what we had been browbeaten into only being allowed say privately.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Do you not get a massive whiff of hypocrisy though ?? On one hand we criticize the Rwanda Policy as cruel and Britain should be honoring it's obligations under the human rights acts etc etc but when the asylum seekers come here to avoid this we want to 'return them'. Nimbyism…….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    The British government are dead right , they view us as an easy mark , we'd do the same given the chance or at least I'd hope we would

    The entire AS clusterfuk is an international game of pass the parcel and we are undeniably the bag holder's



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭Damien360


    that’s not quite correct. The population is docile because we have a media that attacks anyone who speaks a modicum of sense and calls them racist/ludites/take your pick. Our planning laws have been cast aside for some leftist pandering to too many.

    The referendum showed 2 constituencies that were with the government and the rest of the entire country voted as one and had the same result, a resounding no. No surprise those constituencies were home to plenty of money and mostly unaffected by the influx other than cashing in. If the Dail was any way representative, it should have reflected the same voting as the populace. But even the opposition is all for this crap.

    Plenty have protested but have been demonised in the same way the few comrades in arms in this thread here keep attacking anyone that raises their head above the parapet.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Brixton Sticky Owl


    I'm talking about in general over many many scandals/farces

    This seems to be the culmination



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Fair play to Italy. In Ireland we have it bad but nothing compared to Italy, my heart goes out to them.

    This Irish government needs a deterrent to stop economic asylum seekers coming and It has to a Rwanda or Albania deal. Right now what's stopping them coming?

    Maybe the government was hoping sleeping in tents would be a deterrent, well more and more are coming it's not stopping them.

    When you're doing absolutely **** all to deport immigrates, it's no wonder their coming in droves.

    We also need harder language on this, we need none of this “fair and firm system” shite but really hard language like what the Tories are doing at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    That's on us for allowing the media to brow beat us like we allowed the bishops to brow beat us fifty years ago

    Irish people are slaves to appearing on the right side of respectability, happened with Covid too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    I think the British Government are correct here, I don't think they have any obligation to take 'returns'. In essence no different to the French not taking 'returns' from the UK. It's why the Telegraph etc are cockahoop, it vindicates the Rwanda Policy and has the EU over a barrel as there is no way you can expect the UK to take returns back from one EU country if the EU won't reciprocate.



  • Posts: 295 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I really hope the State can prove me wrong but I fear we are ducked. The EU won't be coming to the rescue like they did for the financial bailout, not much incentive now. We have no intelligent, strong leaders, they are no longer bred, as is the case across most of the developed world. We don't appear to be able to do effectively ourselves, in recent years everything has been poorly managed. The operation has no brains.

    Without the multinationals we'd have very little going for us. In the past we had well educated people going into politics, attracted by the salaries and prestige. Now these people are staying in legal professions where there is no shortage of easy work (compo culture) and working for MNCs who offer good salaries. Politics has lost all it's prestige and the rewards are no longer as appealing as they once were. The results is a poorly run state which is manifesting itself now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭TRANQUILLO


    The gas thing is England is trying to deal with a load of Albanian chancers arriving too 😀.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Don't think so. Just as likely that it might make Ireland eventually leave the EU and have an Irexit. Nobody knows whether this is a one off issue or whether it could conceivably spiral. Unknown territory. A conundrum.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    I find it hilarious the suggestions that we should just build houses for all these blokes sleeping on the street. Why should working people here have to fund free houses for any random that arrives pretending to be an asylum seeker (remember even the government now admit the majority aren't legitimate). If you start doing this on a large scale you will really see social unrest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,402 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It shows that our relationship with the EU and the UK has become a lot more difficult and tricky to navigate through. This is the first issue post Brexit really where a UK action has a direct impact on us and the EU will not be able to do anything to help us basically because our interests conflict. We want to be able to send people back to the UK but no way will France allow the UK do the same with them.

    We face the prospect of being constantly kicked around on issues like this unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    God help the local residents. It must be horrific living beside an open toilet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭Scar001


    Surely its time to man up.

    Get rid of this ridiculous Right to Remain and start deportation flights.

    McDowell was able to do it 20 years ago.

    Neither the EU or UK will dig us out of this one.



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