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When is the State going to remove these illegal tents on Mount Street. They are spreading to adjacent streets at this point.
I would disagree,simply because its only become evident in the last year that the doubling or trebling of numbers that 'Rwanda' must have caused
Prior to that numbers werent an issue
Plus we didnt have the 100,000 Ukranians here making the foreign influx more noticeable in terms of faces voices and housing problems
What in blue blazes are these African people thinking Anyway? Theres nothing here for them bar protests,tents,cold rain and if as in the majority of cases that will be rejected,no 30 euros a week in treasure either
Hmmm, first she pulls out of the Garda conference, now the British Irish conference just after Stormont has resumed. Instead of throwing the toys out, maybe rise above it and use your dialogue and powers of negotiation? You know, "politics". Harris, it was an own goal when you became Taoiseach and you missed the ball.
Yes, it is, in the real world. Fleeing an active war zone is the easiest way to have an asylum cliam approved in Ireland currently. To quote the Irish Immigration Advice Service:
"Claiming asylum in Ireland can be a complex process, depending on your circumstances. It is relatively easy to get asylum if your home country is at war or undergoing severe armed conflicts.
In other cases, proving that your life and freedom are at risk in your country of origin can be a challenging task, especially if you are on your own."
That aside, the original intentions of the 1951 UN convention system were to provide asylum for people who desperately needed it - those fleeing war zones. That UN convention was in response to the hodgepodge mess of response that was forced to deal with the millions of post-world war two refugees in Europe.
Its provisions were never meant to be used by people moving from, for example at peace, safe, Georgia to Ireland for economic reasons. Especially not when they have to cross multiple safe countries to do so.
These people are quite literally abusing the system, but our government has for years completely ignored the problem and failed to deal with it. Its yet another example of rank incompetence and the chickens are finally coming home to roost.
He is 100% correct, the only open border is the one with the North. Sinn Fein - the Partitionist Party.
Fleeing an active war zone is the easiest way to qualify for asylum.
No it isn't.
I'm not arguing the system is working, but you are grossly misrepresenting what the intentions of the system were. The UN convention 1951 defines a refugee broadly as
owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.
with some exceptions and addendums.
This is why people conflating "safe country" with "there isn't currently a war there" is completely irrelevant when it comes to whether the person is eligible for protection. While multiple countries have their own laws that strengthen who can claim, the original intention was to provide protection for individuals or groups who were essentially targeted by their governments and people, not simply people fleeing a war zone.
Phew… the country made a massive sigh of relief… no offence to helen but after her performance against mcnamara, this is probably a good thing
And that's clearly a major undertaking
The bould Helen not taking the Brit snub lying down though
Cleverly told her he just remembered he is washing his hair and can't meet her.
The meeting with the British home secretary is postponed.
It's rather like Leo getting tough in his welfare cheats campaign a few tears ago.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/welfare-cheats-ad-campaign-a-mistake-tds-told/36389454.html
Nothing learned by FG, always punching down.
Is he about to close the border with the North?
Simon's response to this proposal
Guess we have to hope the Brits crack down so hard they stop most refugees getting there in the first place so the spillover we are currently getting falls proportionately
Harris and McEntee are going to get their arses handed to them by the Brits and it's good enough for them.
They can bring in whatever legislation they like but I'm guessing the Brits will say the migrants won't be going anywhere and there's f all Harris can do about it.
Tough my eye.
Simon Harris sounded quite tough on this refugee crisis.
Britain has already said they won't take back asylum seekers according to reports tonight. Well we knew that.
The government look extremely two faced with the latest flip flopping. It's Lisa Chambers style politics. Too late anyway, the electorate will absolute see through their duplicity. I mean last week McEntee showed that she hadn't a scooby doo about the deportation metrics and this week she is bringing in "emergency" legislation. They have known about UK immigration policy for ages and knew the risks. We all knew the NI border was a highway for immigrants. The coalition of chaos have never stopped giving since 2020. June and Oct/Nov are worth waiting for.
Thanks for the explanation but I already knew, Sinn Fein have more links with England than any other party in Ireland, so are they all "West Brits"?
Of course he knew what he was doing, it isn't a lie is it?
Sinn Fein are a shambles, have been for years yet nobody read their policies, now they are getting questions on their policies and it is falling around them.
If you want a United Ireland, then removing Sinn Fein from the discussion is the quickest method to achieve it. The show boating and bickering with everyone in the North is helping nobody.
“West Brit, an abbreviation of West Briton, is a derogatory term for an Irish person who is perceived as Anglophilic in matters of culture or politics”
Recycling gammon catchphrases about ‘Eyeland’ and ‘Europe’ not preparing to dissolve itself to help the British exit failure would be construed as not very attractive English characteristics.
“According to Boyd, "The West Briton is the near Englishman ... an unfriendly caricature, the reductio ad absurdum of the least attractive English characteristics”
Clifford knows damn well what he is doing.
“When have Sinn Fein said that a United Ireland would solve an immigration problem?”
They haven’t, but it would.
Then again, any other party other than FFG would protect Irish sovereignty.
“a lot of them are still been paid by the King”, who has no problem robbing money from Irish people
Its intended purpose is to help people who need it most. Which would be people fleeing actual war zones. Its also the defense of the system that people, including the post I was replying to and our government until very recently, regularly jump to - they attempt to suggest all of our asylum seekers are fleeing war zones so none can be rejected/deported.
The fact the system largely hasn't done that to date, and its been widely abused by economic migrants, is entirely down to government mismanagement - not any flaw with the concept itself. Economic migrants from safe places like Georgia, or people who've decided to come here after already spending months/years in the UK or France or elsewhere, should be being rejected and deported instantly so that they're not using up valuable, scarce, resources that could be better used on people more desperate and deserving for help.
What has he said that is incorrect?
Or you just don't like that he is pointing it out?
When have Sinn Fein said that a United Ireland would solve an immigration problem?
"West Brit" 😂 you really need to start coming up with new terms. People running around the web firing it out and haven't a clue what the origins of the terms of, in the case of Ireland at the moment we have less ties than ever with the UK so the term is totally irrelevant, in reality the party with the most links are Sinn Fein who a lot of them are still been paid by the King and have no problem using the British tax system to hide money when they want.
The Government haven't got a clue on what they are doing and are just reacting, badly, to what is going on. Irs no surprise, well except the Government, that there would be an 8mpaact of the UK Rwanda deal.
The asylum system has literally never been solely for people fleeing war zones. That is not its intended purpose. I'm not even sure simply fleeing a war zone qualifies you for asylum.
Helen McEntee has gone full populist at the moment but seems to be not that good at it. Her message is Refugees Out.
Botswana, South Africa, Georgia, Bangladesh and Algeria were 4 of the top 10 nationalities of people seeking asylum here last year. What war exactly are they fleeing?
That aside, any migrant who has reached the UK has already successfully fled any persecution or war. They're no longer in any danger.
We should be using our very limited resources to actually select who we offer asylum to, and focus on those who need it most - women and children actually fleeing active war zones, who're currently in them and need help getting here. Thats how we both control our borders, and do the most good for humanity.
What the government were calling "dangerous, populist, xenophobia" two years ago when people were questioning their no-limit immigration policy, they are now promising deportation left right and centre! 🤣
Seems we have reached the limit at last.
But are these people not escaping persecution and war. Is this mantra now over? The government just wants rid of them, by the looks of it.
Pathetic by Clifford.
He must be gunning for a job at the Sindo, British Telegraph or Spectator magazine when the Irish Times/Examiner goes bust with his constant anti-Shinner rhetoric
He fails to actually quote any SF member or provide a source, then blames them for the British border in Ireland, which both they, and his FFG masters, wanted open.
I'd imagine SF want a reunified Ireland to solve this problem, but then Clifford knows this.
Another West Brit Cork hack
"The main opposition didn’t cover itself in glory either this week. It now seems that every Sinn Fein rep is schooled to begin every utterance on the asylum issue with the words: “Sinn Fein is opposed to open borders”. The strategy is little more than a dog whistle, throwing out to voters that there may well be open borders — as some have been indoctrinated to believe — but the Shinners are not in favour of them.
Apart, of course, from the one open border that was shown during the week to be highly porous, that which divides the northeast with the rest of this island. Maybe Sinn Féin want it closed. Has their desperation to arrest a decline in support now pushed them towards a partitionist mentality? The flip-flopping by the party on this issue has just got a lot flipping floppier."
Entirely reasonably. Nobody is a refugee fleeing the UK. If someone has already reached there, and is subsequently deciding to try Ireland instead, it makes them an economic migrant rather rather than a genuine refugee.
The only issue here is (as usual) our government is extremely late to actually doing something. We knew the UK was changing its asylum policy a long time ago. To wait until the change actually comes in, and only then panic into actually doing something here in response as is now happening, is typical.
Refugees who come through Britain are not welcome in this country, according to this government.
And yet the political and media class throw around the term fascist/far right like confetti.
Closing businesses, imposing quotas on privately owned companies, controlling speech, declaring emergencies, using police force to impose government policy are all quiet fascist like behaviours.
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