Still throwing out this nonsense , Kerry are uniquely unfairly advantaged , this has been proven countless times, you are 100% only interested in Kerry end of .
But only Dublin are uniquely unfairly advantaged: This has been proved countless times. And I'm 100% interested in Meath and Kildare. I'm interested in helping all counties, including Dublin.
Poster isn't interested in Meath and Kildare, he is only interested in preserving the unfair advantages accrued to Kerry over the decades.
I wouldn't be splitting Dublin based on Dublin winning trophies. Some teams win trophies regularly, some don't win at all, that's just the nature of sport. The idea of splitting Dublin because of their success is just plain old begrudgery, and makes no sense whatsoever. It's a very poor argument, and one that tends to die off fairly rapidly when Dublin don't win, which shows how weak the argument tends to be.
Splitting Dublin down the line due to population change, that I can understand. County Dublin has what, 1.4m living in it as it is? That number is only going to increase over time. It'll probably get to the point where 1/5 or more of the island will be living in Co Dublin within the next 20 years.
It's that point that should be considered when talking about splitting Dublin in two. There'll likely be enough quality players and number of clubs to facilitate such a scenario, and it would likely benefit said clubs and players to have two separate county championships, and the GAA overall in Leinster, if Dublin population continues to expand like that.
We're already seeing the effect of migration with regard to rural clubs in every county, as town clubs get bigger and rural clubs get smaller, have to amalgamate, or die off. The GAA are in some ways going to have to get ahead of the problem of migration in the country, whether that is amalgamations or splitting counties/parish's where necessary. Or introduce something like a grandparent rule at club and county level to alleviate the problem somewhat.
But that's probably down the line still, even if it probably is approaching quicker these days.
For what it's worth, when it comes to football at least, Dublin North v Dublin South would likely be the Leinster Final match-up given the current state and set-up of Meath, Kildare and others. Splitting Dublin two might not have the desired effect they think if they're going remain in a heap development-wise.
The evidence is there- take a look at Dublin's population. Then take a look at their funding vs everyone else. Then take a look at where all semi-finals and finals are played. This is all there for people to see. Just because a team doesn't win every year, it doesn't mean they're not unfairly advantaged- for instance, Dublin alone were always unfairly advantaged from their population. I don't mind who wins really, as long as it is done fairly- this has clearly not been the case with Dublin in recent decades so I've concluded that sadly, they need to be split. As you have a partisan bias yourself, you assume people who want to split Dublin want to do so to harm them- nothing could be further from the truth. Not only does splitting Dublin help Dublin, the reasons for it are purely out of a desire for fairness in the GAA.
Well, the first thing I would do about that is split Dublin. That would help all counties. But the fact is that there are discrepancies in population, funding between non-Dublin counties. But the unique combination, scale, nature and duration of advantages that Dublin enjoys in population, funding, playing at home etc. only exists in their case. So as Dublin alone are uniquely unfairly advantaged, Dublin alone should be split.
ah this old chestnut again. The whole,” if the evidence isn’t there then the lack of any evidence also proves my point” argument
you really just want to have your cake and eat it don’t you. I’m sure when someone else starts beating Kerry you’ll find some similarly intangible, unprovable reason why they should be hobbled. Maybe it will be “Cork have too many peoplel” or “Tyrone/ Derry benefit from brexit” or some other such shite
still, at least you’ve indicated youre on board with the proposal to rotate Kerry into Leinster/Munster. That genuinely shows progress on your behalf
They may be advantaged over some but that is the nature of the beast. Cork have huge advantage over clare, for example, let alone the likes of carlow or laois, so what do you do about that.
I certainly agree with you that addressing Kerry's unfair advantages is really the first priority. Happy to consider any number of options to deal with this.
Again, it's not such much Dublin winning or losing- it's the fact they are competing from a uniquely unfairly advantaged position. Dublin winning or losing vs Louth does not change the fact they are uniquely unfairly advantaged in population, funding, playing at home etc. Only splitting them can right that wrong. That's why I and other neutrals want them to be split- not out of any spite or animosity towards Dublin, just out of a desire to remedy this unfairness, improve the prestige, integrity and fairness of the All-Ireland and help the GAA in all counties.
Another cracker, well done! But sadly, as has been proven, Dublin alone are uniquely unfairly advantaged. The fact you are trying, and failing to drag the thread away from its purpose to discuss false and irrelevant red herrings proves this. But you've previously acknowledge that you are willing to split Dublin under circumstances as I proved before, which is decent of you at least.
Wait, you were initially saying that the funding made no difference and now you're saying a reduction in funding results in a decline in performance, which one is it? Again, you're just looking at Games Development Funding which is only a part of the picture. Look at sponsorship money, money from the GAA as well. And also take on board the fact that per capita funding simply compounds Dublin's unique population advantage which is itself grounds for a split! So it's important to split Dublin first, and then take a look at funding. I don't mind if Dublin win or lose. I just want them to compete on a level playing field, rather than them alone being uniquely unfairly advantaged, as at present. But I suppose it is true that Dublin in its current form can never compete on a level playing field; only a split can rectify things for the GAA.
I think you’re a little lacking in ambition there. Tip have won all irelands in football so clearly it’s not so much that Munster is a hurling province as the enthusiasm for football has been battered out of the province by Kerry’s long unfair edge. With a rotation of Kerry out every second year (and genuine competition when they’re in) I reckon we can build football up in the province again and make Munster teams really competitive.It will even lead to attendances going up- a win for everyone
This period of Dublin dominance will end just like all the others. Louth beat them in u20 the other evening and they haven't been great at underage in a while. So less of the hype about domination please.
De facto doesn't mean implicit, no, but I appreciate your eagerness to learn. The point I'm making is that some Dublin "supporters" occasionally falsely claim that Croke Park is not Dublin's home ground, which is clearly false. See my previous post for how rotations do nothing to address Dublin's unfair advantages, unlike a split. If we want to look at capital spending on stadiums, we have to include the money the GAA spent on Croke Park- in which we see again that Dublin are uniquely unfairly advantaged over everyone else. And I've said before, I'm open to lots of other reforms- on voluntary amalgamations, scrapping provincials etc. Just so long as they come after a mandatory split of Dublin, which is the most important thing to address the ongoing unfairness in Gaelic Games today.
Good one! Yourself and blanch152 should do a double act! I'm willing to accept that Dublin alone are unfairly advantaged vs everyone else by the unique combination, nature, scale and duration of their advantages in population, funding, playing at home etc. You clearly think funding discrepancies are an advantage, you'd said this several times. I actually agree on this. But if we focus on funding, we see clearly that Dublin are far, far more advantaged here than anyone else, which then also compounds their population advantage. So as I've shown before, your proposal to rotate provinces is just a desperate, failed attempt to try and pretend that the main issue facing Gaelic Games, which is Dublin competing off a platform of unfair advantages, is not important. That's simply not true so the argument fails, immediately. Rotating provinces does nothing to address the population and funding advantages Dublin has- splitting Dublin does address these issues, helping all counties in the process.
Your focus is on unique advantages, which is great news, as there is one county that has uniquely been advantaged for over a century through its placement in a small hurling-dominated province. We can all agree to split Kerry as a result, make the Munster Football Championship great. We might get to see Waterford win a provincial championship, albeit in football!!!!
Thought it was mostly Peugeots….?
Except that the drop off in underage performance has corresponded with a drop off in funding to the county, which evens out the imbalance you are talking about.
You cant just argue that because Dublin got a large amount of funding in the years 2008 to 2014, that it is forever financially advantaged.
There is absolutely no data to show there has been disproportionate funding to Dublin in the years since. You might have narratives, but that is not the same thing.
And seriously - you;d want to be very sore about the whole thing if you cant celebrate Louth beating Dublin - thats definitely something I want to see!
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🤷♂️ I've only heard of them through their Dublin link
Who are they ? 😂🤣
Subaru would have gone under years ago if it wasn't for the Dublin footballers
Soft jobs ffs 😂😂
de facto ! Is that the same as implicit over your way? (Btw ignoring something is not the same as addressing it)
no matter, once we move Dublin and Kerry into a Leinster/Munster rotation we’ll address the question of travelling for games effectively, while also removing some of Kerry’s Munster advantages. We may need to have the GAA provide a grant for Parnell park upgrade but hey, money well spent. May even start to get Kerry fans going to games again given they seem to be jaded with the ease of Munster right now.
I’m glad you’re finally behind the proposal
im glad you’ve finally accepted that Kerry and their huge historical advantages are an issue. I’m sure you can see how their move into a Leinster/Munster rotation will benefit everyone, Kerry included.
Great to have you on board
you mean soft jobs like emergency doctor (Jack McCaffery), physiotherapist (mick fitzsimmons, Brian Fenton), accountant (con o’callaghan). Soft jobs my arse, you’d want to be a bitter little soul to say those are soft jobs don’t need to many garages either, last I heard Kellihers Toyota had a 5 year associate sponsorship deal with Kerry. I guess they’re just good……
and I’ll happily keep talking about Kerry as much as I like thanks very much, as long as bitter gerrymanderers keep using half truths and misinformation to pretend that football is grand apart from Dublin and to ignore the reality of the huge advantages certain other teams have benefitted from for over a century while telling us it was all grand.
It has everything to do with this thread , and no i for one will not stop talking about Kerry .
I'm not sure I recognise that as "good news"- the inputs of population and funding advantages remain so even if Dublin don't win, they are still unfairly advantaged. That is my issue- I genuinely have no issue with a county winning, including Dublin, so long as they compete from a level playing field. Sadly, Dublin are definitely not competing from a fair platform, so win, lose or draw in the Seniors and U20s, they should still be split.
Croke Park is Dublin's de facto home ground now. When did Dublin last play NFL home games in Parnell Park? When we recongise that, and that think of the amount the GAA spent on Dublin's home stadium, we see again how Dublin have been unfairly advantaged. Despite the county having far better facilities than the rest of the country. I've already addressed the Provincial rotation- as it does nothing to address Dublin's unique unfair advantages, there is no point in the measure. Splitting Dublin would absolutely address their unfair advantages, so it definitely would be for the good of the game.
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