prices jumped up at the same time as the deposit was introduced, people therefore understandably are thinking that the price increase on the label includes the deposit
between 15-25% among different products increase before deposit
Where’s the money go from the plastic bag tax, and the sugar tax 🤔
Ah they are probably battery operated trucks 😬
NavaFresh.ie its actually 36 but + 9 euro shipping.
I am seriously researching soda stream too though. €9 for syrup that will make 9 litres of pepsi. Despite the initial outlay, the loss I'm currently making on deposits alone, it wouldn't be long paying for itself.
25% more expensive due to recent price rises before the deposit is added or 25% as a combination of recent price rises + deposit?
It's early days. Many more people will be able to figure out that a deposit makes something more expensive at the till. And then your custom will return.
Before the scheme began I bought a sodastream for 15€ on adverts. Do it, you won't look back.
Avoid this scheme and make 500ml of sparkling water at home for 20c or less (max cost of co2, there are ways to do it much cheaper too).
have seen responses like this a good few times in this thread. someone points out how stupid the scheme is & there's just a response like "well maybe everyone should just simply give up beverages."😭
It's probably a good thing for society overall if they are giving up imbibing the contents of those bottles and cans. Mostly gut rot stuff.
also quite a few customers recently have been walking out of the shop when they see the price of drinks at the till. dont blame them (other than if they're actually rude about it). most drinks are around 25% more expensive. haven't heard a single customer since this whole thing started have a positive view of the scheme tbh.
still can't stand this entire scheme, both as a customer & a retail worker.
i dont drive, & my shopping i get on the way home form work (often work 6 days & get home too late to return to shop). so i either have to bring with me on the way to work or do on my day off. brought a fairly big bag of cans/bottles to get rid of on my way to work yesterday and of course, one place, emptying machine, other place was broken. ended up carrying around the bag on the train to work like a dope. (only cos i had quite a lot of a build up, otherwise would have dumped it, and wont do that again for sure).
then i get to work & our machine is finally getting installed, took the lads all day to install it, finally up & running today & caused lots of problems, for various reasons. also means there's extra paper/till work to fill out every night. along with emptying it etc. pain in the hole.
genuinely dont think there's ever been policy thats created so much issues/nuisance for such little reward.
yesterday I had a BIG accumulation of plastic bottles to return, all my sparking mineral water. I had ‘em all “blown up” to go through, and it worked. As soon as I was through next person got the STOP sign as I had effectively filled the machine. They are effectively “too small” to be effective, or emptied too infrequently, trajectory pick. ALDI Nutgrove
There is a good deal of logic to your Gatorade workaround.
The way things are at the moment I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you are not alone.
With all the uncertainty changes in consumer preferences are likely.
I go through phases of "not caring / moving on" to "if nothing is said now the next scam will be the same / worse"
Where you getting that price?
Recently got 5 ice stick trays to add to bottles of filtered water. Wouldn't mind some flavours now though.
Double post.
It's great they have ironed out all the bugs on the site.
My advice is that anyone annoyed about it stop wasting your time with it. Accept it for what it is - another stealth tax and profiteering exercise. Then continue as you always have. It's a lot less stressful.
Good advice. I have given up on it. Continue as you always have… not quite. I just bought a tub of Gatorade powder. It feels expensive at 45 euro, but if it gives me the equivalent of 20 bottles of gatorade, it will be 2.10 per 500ml, plus 20 deposits of 15 cent which would have been 3 euros. Plus I can feel smug that I have saved the environment 20 plastic bottles.
Now if only Irn Bru could be powdered!
It was, is, and will continue to be nothing more than yet another "green" tax dressed up as a "good thing" and the "right thing".
As with all this Green nonsense, it's entirely ideologically driven with little consideration to how it would actually work in the real world - hence this mess of broken/unreliable machines, some stores participating and some not, having to look up barcodes on a website, and all the rest!
Meanwhile answers to questions like the actual figures or where the unclaimed money is going remain vague or unanswered - why? Because it's nothing to do with saving the planet and everything to do with enriching this latest quango. It's another Irish Water.. Force everyone to engage with it (in this case through the deposit charges) while those involved make money!
It's a scam. Pure and simple. It's been deliberately setup to be as inconvenient and opaque as possible.
Excess profits made from this scheme, and they are profits, should be ring fenced and put towards initiatives that reduce waste..for example water fountains in public spaces where we csn fill reusable bottles with water on the go rather than buying bottled water.
I just hope "The Green Police" can do an audit of all the emissions this scheme has created in new truck movements, machine manufacture, paper waste generated and electricity consumed.
Thread title should be amended to:
Deposit return scheme (Greenbeanery)
Encapsulates Re-Turn perfectly.
Didn't the Green Party get excited, encouraging us to put cans and bottles in the green bin so that could be recycled? Well, how did that work out?
As it happens, really really well.
But now they changed it.
I have a cloud based digital clock on my wall but its stuck on the same time. It shows the correct time only twice a day, but according to the server stats it has 100% uptime.
So that's pretty good right?
They "say" it will happen. So it's just an aspiration. We've been told a lot of stuff about recycling & this scheme that has turned out to be dubious \ misinformation or just plain lies. The Green Party got excited about diesel, remember how that turned out. They get "excited" about a lot of things that don't pan out the way they thought it would. How "excited" a politician gets about a scheme and whether the scheme will actually deliver on that are often strangers. Thinking about it "logically" there's no direct connection between the two.
Remember the head of Re-turn telling people to contact him (!) if they had trouble with returns, or home deliveries.
Now, if you believed those spoofers would it be thinking "logically"?
I'm also not very knowledgeable to the exact ins and outs but that is what the green party and many others say will happen. Thinking about it logically I'm not sure Eamon Ryan etc would be this excited about a scheme that incinerates returned materials
Recycling plastic is expensive and the process is a heavy pollutant. So it would be the opposite of logic.
Is the process of creating new plastic not also just as expensive and pouting?
The majority will still be incinerated (down cycled - turned into electricity) or exported for marginal amounts of recycling, then pellets will be sold back to manufacturers who get to display some bullshít recycling logo on their bottle to pretend they are environmental.
That's obviously auful if true but is there any proof of this actually happening to what we are putting into the RVMs?
That product only has to be made from 25% recycled material as per the directive.
That's still 25% more than what is recycled when a bottle is made from raw plastic. If they said it had to be 100% from the get go it would be completely unachievable
It would be far more environmental if every home in the state was provided with a burn barrel for plastic.
More environmentally friendly for us to burn plastic in our homes than to recycle 25% of it? Can you explain that logic?
Was there even another one working at the same place ?
No, big hand says no.
There were people there looking to use the bin though. I also did notice quite a few bags of rubbish beside the machines, which should be a clue.
Who would have thought we could go so drastically backwards when it came to something so simple.
The good news is the CEO of Re-Chit-Ching has assured us all these problems will be solved in a couple of weeks.
He didn't specify how, I presume the same way he was going sort out people who can't use the bins.
Sorry, I thought you were referring to it being shuttered.
We are at cross purposes, no harm done.
Definitely not acceptable to have one down for three weeks.
I never suggested it would.
I said when the machine is switched off.
These things are not shuttered because of a simple fixable flaw, keeping them on would just be a waste of money and again bad for the environment.
The couple I have seen shuttered have been that way now for over 3 weeks. I have also seen machines inoperable but not shuttered. In fact it's in the minority when I see a machine that actually looks like it may work. I have also seen one machine that isn't behind shuttering just plugged out, which seem to be it's permanent state.
If a machine is not on, it cannot collect and relay data, that is a simple fact.
I'm not convinced that closing a shutter in front of an RVM would affect those functions.
I think you also have to remember that Ireland's got a rather serious issue recruiting retail staff. There aren't a lot of people in most of those stores and when a machine breakdown happens, as it's not generating revenue, it's not going to be high priority.
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