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I don't disagree, yet it is notable that even that insufficient improvement is vociferously opposed by those who claim they would fix the problem, which doesn't make much sense.
And yes, it should have been done long ago. But politicians have never lost votes by pandering to NIMBYs.
Matt Cooper and Yates discussed this at length recently. They both agreed that even the latest and long overdue planning legislation won't even remotely be good enough to unblock planning applications in a timely and efficient manner. The fact that new planning laws and planning reform has taken so so so long is all on FFGG. It should have been done many years ago.
As we have seen as well, even when the government handed millions to a county council, the county council left the money sitting and did nothing with it.
You also have the campaigns run by political parties to block all houses in every area of Ireland, the perfect example recently of the unit in desperate need in Dublin, in an ideal location, blocked by the leader of an opposition party.
"building housing in large numbers is not some unachievable mystery, it just requires a government to decide to do it"
Of all the uninformed comments that I have seen on here across many subjects, this ranks at or near the very top.
Finance isn't needed, construction workers aren't needed, building supplies aren't needed, apprentices aren't needed, serviced land isn't needed, utilities aren't needed, etc., etc., all that is required is a government to decide to do it.
Unadulterated nonsense.
The "new houses" numbers do not include the active regeneration of housing which is going on at the moment, the regeneration is a huge bonus for Ireland when the option in the Celtic Tiger was to build new and older houses let to rot.
From what I can gather, any of these houses which people are moving in and bringing back into the housing market are not part of the numbers.
This also has taken a lot of construction workers with plenty of companies specialising in this area
Thats not remotely accurate. We had as many construction workers in 2023 as in 2005, when we built 86,000 housing units. Our planning laws while still problematic now are at least slightly better than they were in 2005.
The labour difference is now our workers are building more non-housing projects. Thats down to the government not prioritising home building. Thats because of bad government policy choice.
70s Ireland was essentially bankrupt as a country yet we managed to fund widescale home building. We spent a higher % of income per capita on housing then than we did in the second half of the 2010s, when Ireland had a booming economy. Thats because of bad government policy choice.
Labour and planning are the biggest issues here now. Money is no object. The 2000s was making people rich in the building game. No shortage of people. 70s Ireland was piss poor and local authorities hd no trouble getting builders as it was a paying job. Different ball game now
For anyone who hasn't seen it. Its worth watching the first two minutes at the very least to get a flavour of it.
The level of incompetence is genuinely scary, she hasn't got a clue. McNamara has all the facts and figures ready to corner her badly.
Other countries have wildly different housing markets, availability of prexisting properties, and population growth demographics, to us. There are plenty of countries globally with very large scale housing building at present too, but they're equally irrelevant to the Irish market.
Adding 3000 units a year, to get from 17k to 33k, over 6 years is absolutely anemic growth in the middle of the worst housing crisis in the history of the state. When we know we need to be building 60k units a year it would literally take us another decade to get to that point with this level of growth. How is that in any way defensible? Another decade, or likely more, of this housing crisis ongoing if we stay this course?
Our housing output was close to 100k units a year in recent history in the 2000s, when our population was 20% lower than it is now. We also built far more housing per capita in the 1970s, at a time when Ireland was an economic basket case, than we do now.
Building housing in large numbers is not some unachievable mystery, it just requires a government to decide to do it. Our recent FG governments however have either through rank incompetence, or deliberate decision to limit housing supply throughout the 2015-2024 time period to drive up the price of homes, not done this.
@Clo-Clo if you don't want to hear from FG yet you are getting their tweets?
What gives you the impression that I don't want to hear from them? Their a party in government. I use the site effectively to get broad range of views and opinions. Like to keep informed. (not my only source).
We all have our own reasons for doing things.
Someone, anyone in Fine Gael must be looking at this and going what the actual ****? Either McEntee has some kind of threat over Harris or its is just lets hope we get through the next 10 months fingers crossed. I actually thought she was going to laugh with nerves… she is a smart lady I have met her, but she is awful in this role. She was like a duck… calm on the surface, paddling like **** under water. We have serious, serious problems with immigration and between her and O'Gorman… there will be an almighty mess to be cleaned up after they are gone.
None of this is wrong, but there is also strong opposition to the planning bill which is the only thing that might realistically actually help. The problems with house building are fundamentally planning related.
I know how it works, I can manage to log onto X and not get a load of tweets from people I have no interest in. So maybe the question should be do you know how it works if you don't want to hear from FG yet you are getting their tweets?
I just watched it. It's actually quite scary how inept the Justice department has become under her leadership. She came across as someone who was on her first day in the job. Simon failed in his first big test by keeping McEntee in there - he and FG will have to suffer the consequences in the elections this year. McNamara was knowledgeable and excellent as always.
The utterly clueless Helen McEntee embarrasses herself yet again yesterday as Michael McNamara absolutely skewered her
You'd think such an embarrassing performance as well as the content of what was said would be news today but strangely not a peep from the likes of RTE……….
Lots of countries are struggling to build housing. Germany is building less than 10 times what we did but with 17 times our population. The UK is building less than 8 times what we build with 13 times our population. The Netherlands built over double what we built with 3.5 times our population. Lots of countries are having problems building enough housing. This causes huge demand for construction workers and is part of the problem we have.
We doubled our annual housing output over a 5 year period with a global pandemedic in the middle of it. That is a big ramp up.
https://www.iamexpat.nl/housing/real-estate-news/netherlands-built-record-number-homes-2022-it-isnt-enough
https://www.thelocal.de/20230420/why-does-germany-keep-missing-its-house-building-targets
https://www.bbc.com/news/61407508
Every analysis is that we need approx 60k housing units a year to be built. We're building low 30s. Half of whats needed.
Your "big increase" is an improvement of 18,500 completions per year over 6 years, or about 3000 per year.
At that rate of increase it will take us another decade to come close to building whats required per year. Thats a record of utter failure of policy making, and is why the housing crisis is as bad as it is currently.
There has been awareness and talk of a housing crisis in the Dail for a decade now. The excuses of "it can't be fixed over night" or "but we're making improvements!" absolutely held water when we were emerging from the recession in circa 2013-2014. But it did not any time over the last decade from 2015 to 2024.
It would absolutely have been possible to ramp up building massively over a 3-5 year window within that, if our government had chosen to do it. But they didn't. Thats down to awful decision making.
14,500 houses/apartments were built in 2017. It was nearly 33,000 last year. That is a big increase.
I asked you before do you know how these apps/sites actually work?
I joined 'X'/'Twitter' in May 2009 and have followed allot of parties or TD's whether I like them personally or not!
The algorithms feed me stuff based on my followings, clicks and interactions, so I'm not monitoring accounts.
It is election year, Local, EU and probably a GE before year end? [NOT a prediction]
So if I want to keep informed, it is none of your business?
@Clo-Clo
Strange the 'X' account mirrored it?
https://www.citizen.digital/entertainment/the-look-between-x-and-y-on-your-keyboard-trend-is-confusing-people-online-heres-how-it-all-started-n340885
THe obsession with FG and everything they do continues
If you dislike FG so much, which seems to be the case, why are you monitoring their twitter account?
Winding up the online trolls on twitter with stuff like this is the best thing any of the parties can do.
@Blut2 They could really do with some more believable PR.
Or hire a better company to do it?
Voter: “I’m not sure what party to vote for in the upcoming European and Local elections.”Us: “Look between D and H on your keyboard.”
Voter: “I’m not sure what party to vote for in the upcoming European and Local elections.”
Us: “Look between D and H on your keyboard.”
Quoted just in case it gets taken down!
Are they really that desperate relying on corny JOKES.
FG didn't deliver anything close to that while in government from 2011 to 2016, or 2016 to 2020, or 2020 to 2024 while they had every opportunity but trust them, this time, everything will change and they'll do it! The 4th term in office is when they'll finally start building houses, just ignore the extensive history of past performance in those other three terms!
They could really do with some more believable PR.
Latest tweet from FineGael!
They are assuming they will still be in Government?
As follow up, I posted a picture of book, in a previous post,
'The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness.'
The Author was Interviewed by The New Yorker recently. Link in this thread post.
The odds of the Government lasting into the new year are probably getting slimmer by the day.
I'd say they are fighting like cats and dogs behind the scenes.
Disappointing.
On another day, that man (who I regard highly) would be strung up by the FFG "justice" system, while the perpetrator makes huge money scamming the dole and welfare
Exhibit A :
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/man-accused-breaking-tallaght-home-28960653.amp
Along with the many foreign nationals who run for FFG, yet complain about lack of justice for victims of crime, racism, etc -
they have just sold out the people responsible for it, they won't be lecturing me anyway
FFG still hanging onto the celebrity candidate launches although I doubt anymore the old same surname trick would still muster. Most offspring don't want the hassle.
They must be scouring the GAA still you'd think.
FFG aren't referred to as the Civil War parties for nothing. Increasingly becoming products of Ireland's past.
@Clo-Clo with no direct comments from anyone in parties, saying they are upset over XYZ.
Thanks again for quoting and replying to my post's giving them more weight, than if you ignored them. People see your reply and get curious about what your moaning about.
Do you honestly think anyone from the parties are on boards replying to anything they see here? They have staff who are aware of the site. But don't post here.
can’t believe it myself.
I suggest you look at these government threads and look at the number of articles shared, with no direct comments from anyone in parties, saying they are upset over XYZ.
All shared with glee on here saying similar to what you posted
Maybe we will see an "early election" which also on these thread has been predicted since, July 2020 🤣
I wondered how long it would take for Simon to become petty. It was about 2 days. Fun times in store.
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